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Inder wrote:
06 Jul 2018, 10:57am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
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Inder wrote:
06 Jul 2018, 10:49am
At the risk of everyone getting mad at me, I've never understood or liked hardcore. It's always had this "music for assholes" vibe to it that I just can't get over.
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I feel like the variety of differences between scenes and definitions of hardcore make it a genre that has bands I love and bands I cannot get behind.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
06 Jul 2018, 11:12am
Inder wrote:
06 Jul 2018, 10:57am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
06 Jul 2018, 10:56am
Inder wrote:
06 Jul 2018, 10:49am
At the risk of everyone getting mad at me, I've never understood or liked hardcore. It's always had this "music for assholes" vibe to it that I just can't get over.
Pursuing the Heston vote is an unconventional election strategy. Will it pay off? Only time will tell.
Now this is real music:

Paul really needed people around him to tell him when his stuff wasn't very good.
From the late, great Timothy White's review for Rolling Stone: "Who, one felt compelled to ask, is in charge here? Back to the Egg provides the final, obvious answer: no one."
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Wolter wrote:
06 Jul 2018, 11:39am
I feel like the variety of differences between scenes and definitions of hardcore make it a genre that has bands I love and bands I cannot get behind.
Great way to sum it up. I agree 100%.
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WestwayKid wrote:
09 Jul 2018, 2:28pm
From the late, great Timothy White's review for Rolling Stone: "Who, one felt compelled to ask, is in charge here? Back to the Egg provides the final, obvious answer: no one."
Inder's gonna have your legs broke, son. ;)
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
09 Jul 2018, 2:57pm
WestwayKid wrote:
09 Jul 2018, 2:28pm
From the late, great Timothy White's review for Rolling Stone: "Who, one felt compelled to ask, is in charge here? Back to the Egg provides the final, obvious answer: no one."
Inder's gonna have your legs broke, son. ;)
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I like some tracks on Egg, but it is pretty rudderless. The music video for Spin it On with the embarrassing punk gurning is a particular low.

The worst is Getting Closer — killer tune, but absolutely atrocious lyrics. Like, a complete and total nadir. It's as if he was trying to prove John and Yoko's "moon-June-spoon" sniping right.
[Chorus]
Say you don't love him, my salamander
Why do you need him?
Oh no, don't answer, oh no
I'm getting closer
I'm getting closer to your heart

[Verse 1]
Keeping ahead of the rain on the road
Watching my windscreen wipers
Radio play me a dancable ode
Cattle beware of snipers

[Chorus 2]
When will you see me, my salamander?
Don't try to tell me
Oh no, don't answer, oh no
I'm getting closer
I'm getting closer to your heart

[Verse 2]
Hitting the chisel and making a joint
Gluing my fingers together (together)
Radio play me a song with a point
Sailor beware of weather (weather)
Fab live rendition here, though:


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Inder wrote:
09 Jul 2018, 3:12pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
09 Jul 2018, 2:57pm
WestwayKid wrote:
09 Jul 2018, 2:28pm
From the late, great Timothy White's review for Rolling Stone: "Who, one felt compelled to ask, is in charge here? Back to the Egg provides the final, obvious answer: no one."
Inder's gonna have your legs broke, son. ;)
👺

I like some tracks on Egg, but it is pretty rudderless. The music video for Spin it On with the embarrassing punk gurning is a particular low.

The worst is Getting Closer — killer tune, but absolutely atrocious lyrics. Like, a complete and total nadir. It's as if he was trying to prove John and Yoko's "moon-June-spoon" sniping right.
[Chorus]
Say you don't love him, my salamander
Why do you need him?
Oh no, don't answer, oh no
I'm getting closer
I'm getting closer to your heart

[Verse 1]
Keeping ahead of the rain on the road
Watching my windscreen wipers
Radio play me a dancable ode
Cattle beware of snipers

[Chorus 2]
When will you see me, my salamander?
Don't try to tell me
Oh no, don't answer, oh no
I'm getting closer
I'm getting closer to your heart

[Verse 2]
Hitting the chisel and making a joint
Gluing my fingers together (together)
Radio play me a song with a point
Sailor beware of weather (weather)
Fab live rendition here, though:

I listened to this one earlier.
I don't know if it's gets me in your gang, but I thought it was pretty good.
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Now listening to this.
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If Paul had developed working relationships—real peer collaboration and critique—like he had in the Beatles, I have no doubt his post-Beatles work would have been so much better, with fewer cringeworthy moments. A very small sample/example, but those albums he did with Youth as The Fireman are marvellous and demonstrate he can move out of his comfort zone. It's great when people don't need others as that sounding board/inspiration/collaboration, but it's no crime that some great artists do need it.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
09 Jul 2018, 3:44pm
If Paul had developed working relationships—real peer collaboration and critique—like he had in the Beatles, I have no doubt his post-Beatles work would have been so much better, with fewer cringeworthy moments. A very small sample/example, but those albums he did with Youth as The Fireman are marvellous and demonstrate he can move out of his comfort zone. It's great when people don't need others as that sounding board/inspiration/collaboration, but it's no crime that some great artists do need it.
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Marky Dread wrote:
09 Jul 2018, 3:55pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
09 Jul 2018, 3:44pm
If Paul had developed working relationships—real peer collaboration and critique—like he had in the Beatles, I have no doubt his post-Beatles work would have been so much better, with fewer cringeworthy moments. A very small sample/example, but those albums he did with Youth as The Fireman are marvellous and demonstrate he can move out of his comfort zone. It's great when people don't need others as that sounding board/inspiration/collaboration, but it's no crime that some great artists do need it.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
09 Jul 2018, 3:56pm
Marky Dread wrote:
09 Jul 2018, 3:55pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
09 Jul 2018, 3:44pm
If Paul had developed working relationships—real peer collaboration and critique—like he had in the Beatles, I have no doubt his post-Beatles work would have been so much better, with fewer cringeworthy moments. A very small sample/example, but those albums he did with Youth as The Fireman are marvellous and demonstrate he can move out of his comfort zone. It's great when people don't need others as that sounding board/inspiration/collaboration, but it's no crime that some great artists do need it.
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I'm going to defend it. Not for being good but for tackling the album as a non musician. When you consider how great other musicians are and the turkeys they turn out, at least Lydon has that excuse.
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09 Jul 2018, 4:22pm
I'm going to defend it. Not for being good but for tackling the album as a non musician. When you consider how great other musicians are and the turkeys they turn out, at least Lydon has that excuse.
I've made a similar argument in the past. It's not a good album, apart from a few neat parts, but I respect the guy for trying given that he isn't a musician. Public failure is something most of us would avoid like the plague.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
09 Jul 2018, 4:28pm
Marky Dread wrote:
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I'm going to defend it. Not for being good but for tackling the album as a non musician. When you consider how great other musicians are and the turkeys they turn out, at least Lydon has that excuse.
I've made a similar argument in the past. It's not a good album, apart from a few neat parts, but I respect the guy for trying given that he isn't a musician. Public failure is something most of us would avoid like the plague.
Agreed absoloutely.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
09 Jul 2018, 3:44pm
If Paul had developed working relationships—real peer collaboration and critique—like he had in the Beatles, I have no doubt his post-Beatles work would have been so much better, with fewer cringeworthy moments. A very small sample/example, but those albums he did with Youth as The Fireman are marvellous and demonstrate he can move out of his comfort zone. It's great when people don't need others as that sounding board/inspiration/collaboration, but it's no crime that some great artists do need it.
Interesting point. It got me thinking about the work he did with Elvis Costello (get well soon) back in the late 80's. I've read it wasn't the best of working relationships - but they bashed out some pretty good songs.
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