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Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction

Post by Heston » 05 Mar 2019, 9:11pm

Marky Dread wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 9:09pm
Heston wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 9:08pm
101Walterton wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 9:03pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 8:49pm
101Walterton wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 8:45pm


What about this one,

Good luck spotting which part of the tune Matlock borrowed.
I always presumed it was the descending notes in the chorus?
For me it's the bit after "how can I even try to go on." The riff starts on the word, "on."
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Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction

Post by Aeneas » 05 Mar 2019, 9:12pm

Marky Dread wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 8:48pm
Aeneas wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 7:59pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 11:49am
Aeneas wrote:
04 Mar 2019, 9:29pm
Low Down Low wrote:
04 Mar 2019, 9:21pm
Bored with the bored with the usa correction threads
Sounds like the record company talking here.
Sounds like you are making up your own theory.

Heroin wasn't destroying Strummer's friends. Their own stupidity did that and Joe singing about Heroin killing his friends in 1976 is stupid talk how many of Joe's squatting community do you think could afford a bag of Heroin? Sure the Heartbreakers famously took Heroin but they were not to blame for the likes of Sid taking it as he had taken it even before he joined the Pistols and met Thunders etc. So I wonder exactly who you think these friends were Joe was allegedly singing about?

The UK drug of choice for the punks and soul boys was Speed because it was cheap (affordable) and served it purpose for all-nighters.

You changing the ad-libs to suit your own narrative/conspiracy doesn't make it right.

Should change the name of the song back to it's original title "I'm So Bored with You".
Clearly, Strummer had trouble keeping his own drummer Topper Headon
Not in 1976 he didn't when the song in question was written and Terry was the drummer. Fail.
from the heroin needle, and eventually was forced to fire him.
Certainly, backstage when Sid Vicious was holding court as a solo act
in NYC in late 1978/early 1979 with several members of the New York Dolls
must have been a blast -- Johnny Thunders and Jerry Nolan (drummer) were
definitely heroin addicts, in a place, NYC, where it has always been
extremely easy to 'score' or 'cop' heroin.

How did Joe write about these events in "I'm So Bored with the USA" when they occured after 1976?

=============City of the Dead==================
In the city of the dead
Fall in love an' fall in bed
It wasn't anything you said
Except I know we both lie dead
Don't you know where to cop
That's what New York Johnny said
You should get to know your town
Just like I know mine
=============================================

Johnny telling Joe that it's best to know where to score and where can he get gear in the UK. Joe took Heroin once it's alleged and covered it up with a hepatitis scare which was claimed he got from swallowing some gob.

From what I have read, there was a "British System" within
the UK health system in the late 60's/early 70's to prescribe heroin
to people who their psychiatrists thought needed the drug,
through Drug Dependency Units (DDU) established by the Ministry of Health.
Thus it appears the UK Parliament was the one importing much of the
Golden Crescent opium directly.
Well some truth at last but in 1964 there were around 350 registered Heroin addicts in the UK.
City of the Dead was the B-side to Complete Control (the 2nd Clash anthem)
and that single was released 23 September 1977 (U.K.) .

Clearly, there are members of this forum who hate Joe Strummer and make up
ugly stories about him -- weird.

350 who were registered heroin addicts -- the rest, who preferred not to deal with the psychiatrists,
or who were being weaned onto methadone by those clinics,
'scored' their heroin on the street.

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Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction

Post by Marky Dread » 05 Mar 2019, 9:12pm

Heston wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 9:11pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 9:09pm
Heston wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 9:08pm
101Walterton wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 9:03pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 8:49pm


Good luck spotting which part of the tune Matlock borrowed.
I always presumed it was the descending notes in the chorus?
For me it's the bit after "how can I even try to go on." The riff starts on the word, "on."
Heston is the winner.
Not for the first time this week.
The winner takes it all. ;)
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Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction

Post by 101Walterton » 05 Mar 2019, 9:13pm

Heston wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 9:11pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 9:09pm
Heston wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 9:08pm
101Walterton wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 9:03pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 8:49pm


Good luck spotting which part of the tune Matlock borrowed.
I always presumed it was the descending notes in the chorus?
For me it's the bit after "how can I even try to go on." The riff starts on the word, "on."
Heston is the winner.
Not for the first time this week.
He's always a winner in my book!

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Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction

Post by Heston » 05 Mar 2019, 9:15pm

Marky Dread wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 9:12pm
Heston wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 9:11pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 9:09pm
Heston wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 9:08pm
101Walterton wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 9:03pm


I always presumed it was the descending notes in the chorus?
For me it's the bit after "how can I even try to go on." The riff starts on the word, "on."
Heston is the winner.
Not for the first time this week.
The winner takes it all. ;)
The loser (Flex) standing small. :mrgreen:
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Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction

Post by Marky Dread » 06 Mar 2019, 11:01am

Heston wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 9:15pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 9:12pm
Heston wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 9:11pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 9:09pm
Heston wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 9:08pm


For me it's the bit after "how can I even try to go on." The riff starts on the word, "on."
Heston is the winner.
Not for the first time this week.
The winner takes it all. ;)
The loser (Flex) standing small. :mrgreen:
You do realise it was only a robot you beat. Flex is not a real person.
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Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction

Post by WestwayKid » 06 Mar 2019, 11:13am

Marky Dread wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 7:43pm
Kory wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 7:12pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 5:30pm
Kory wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 5:18pm
WestwayKid wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 1:13pm
The only "conspiracy" is whether Mick ripped off Steve Jones or the other way around ;) :mrgreen:
Is this referring to the Pretty Vacant-esque intro?
Yep. It's just speeded up kind of.
And the octave and 5th are reversed as well, but still quite similar.
Yep I knew you would know the technical specifics. It is similar but I don't think it's a steal either.
I also don't think it's a steal - just similar and something I've heard mentioned before. Thought it might lighten up this conversation! :mrgreen:
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Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction

Post by Olaf » 06 Mar 2019, 3:45pm

Aeneas wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 9:12pm

Clearly, there are members of this forum who hate Joe Strummer and make up
ugly stories about him -- weird.
Well he wore raccoon hats, that's obscene.

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Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction

Post by Marky Dread » 06 Mar 2019, 4:30pm

Aeneas wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 9:12pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 8:48pm
Aeneas wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 7:59pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 11:49am
Aeneas wrote:
04 Mar 2019, 9:29pm

Sounds like the record company talking here.
Sounds like you are making up your own theory.

Heroin wasn't destroying Strummer's friends. Their own stupidity did that and Joe singing about Heroin killing his friends in 1976 is stupid talk how many of Joe's squatting community do you think could afford a bag of Heroin? Sure the Heartbreakers famously took Heroin but they were not to blame for the likes of Sid taking it as he had taken it even before he joined the Pistols and met Thunders etc. So I wonder exactly who you think these friends were Joe was allegedly singing about?

The UK drug of choice for the punks and soul boys was Speed because it was cheap (affordable) and served it purpose for all-nighters.

You changing the ad-libs to suit your own narrative/conspiracy doesn't make it right.

Should change the name of the song back to it's original title "I'm So Bored with You".
Clearly, Strummer had trouble keeping his own drummer Topper Headon
Not in 1976 he didn't when the song in question was written and Terry was the drummer. Fail.
from the heroin needle, and eventually was forced to fire him.
Certainly, backstage when Sid Vicious was holding court as a solo act
in NYC in late 1978/early 1979 with several members of the New York Dolls
must have been a blast -- Johnny Thunders and Jerry Nolan (drummer) were
definitely heroin addicts, in a place, NYC, where it has always been
extremely easy to 'score' or 'cop' heroin.

How did Joe write about these events in "I'm So Bored with the USA" when they occured after 1976?

=============City of the Dead==================
In the city of the dead
Fall in love an' fall in bed
It wasn't anything you said
Except I know we both lie dead
Don't you know where to cop
That's what New York Johnny said
You should get to know your town
Just like I know mine
=============================================

Johnny telling Joe that it's best to know where to score and where can he get gear in the UK. Joe took Heroin once it's alleged and covered it up with a hepatitis scare which was claimed he got from swallowing some gob.

From what I have read, there was a "British System" within
the UK health system in the late 60's/early 70's to prescribe heroin
to people who their psychiatrists thought needed the drug,
through Drug Dependency Units (DDU) established by the Ministry of Health.
Thus it appears the UK Parliament was the one importing much of the
Golden Crescent opium directly.
Well some truth at last but in 1964 there were around 350 registered Heroin addicts in the UK.
City of the Dead was the B-side to Complete Control (the 2nd Clash anthem)
and that single was released 23 September 1977 (U.K.) .

Clearly, there are members of this forum who hate Joe Strummer and make up
ugly stories about him -- weird.

350 who were registered heroin addicts -- the rest, who preferred not to deal with the psychiatrists,
or who were being weaned onto methadone by those clinics,
'scored' their heroin on the street.
Thanks for the info I had no idea where City of the Dead come from. I'm not sure if I've ever heard it.

Everyone here hates Joe Strummer. Why don't you?

You are correct in 1977 the UK was wall to wall deep in junkies. You couldn't go to the local supermarket without bumping into one. I'm amazed there are any people left living here it was such an epidemic.
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Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction

Post by Dr. Medulla » 06 Mar 2019, 5:19pm

Olaf wrote:
06 Mar 2019, 3:45pm
Aeneas wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 9:12pm

Clearly, there are members of this forum who hate Joe Strummer and make up
ugly stories about him -- weird.
Well he wore raccoon hats, that's obscene.
He had an excuse: it was the drugs. (I think we've all worn raccoons in some manner while under some kind of influence.)
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Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction

Post by Aeneas » 06 Mar 2019, 5:47pm

Marky Dread wrote:
06 Mar 2019, 4:30pm
Aeneas wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 9:12pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 8:48pm
Aeneas wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 7:59pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 11:49am


Sounds like you are making up your own theory.

Heroin wasn't destroying Strummer's friends. Their own stupidity did that and Joe singing about Heroin killing his friends in 1976 is stupid talk how many of Joe's squatting community do you think could afford a bag of Heroin? Sure the Heartbreakers famously took Heroin but they were not to blame for the likes of Sid taking it as he had taken it even before he joined the Pistols and met Thunders etc. So I wonder exactly who you think these friends were Joe was allegedly singing about?

The UK drug of choice for the punks and soul boys was Speed because it was cheap (affordable) and served it purpose for all-nighters.

You changing the ad-libs to suit your own narrative/conspiracy doesn't make it right.

Should change the name of the song back to it's original title "I'm So Bored with You".
Clearly, Strummer had trouble keeping his own drummer Topper Headon
Not in 1976 he didn't when the song in question was written and Terry was the drummer. Fail.
from the heroin needle, and eventually was forced to fire him.
Certainly, backstage when Sid Vicious was holding court as a solo act
in NYC in late 1978/early 1979 with several members of the New York Dolls
must have been a blast -- Johnny Thunders and Jerry Nolan (drummer) were
definitely heroin addicts, in a place, NYC, where it has always been
extremely easy to 'score' or 'cop' heroin.

How did Joe write about these events in "I'm So Bored with the USA" when they occured after 1976?

=============City of the Dead==================
In the city of the dead
Fall in love an' fall in bed
It wasn't anything you said
Except I know we both lie dead
Don't you know where to cop
That's what New York Johnny said
You should get to know your town
Just like I know mine
=============================================

Johnny telling Joe that it's best to know where to score and where can he get gear in the UK. Joe took Heroin once it's alleged and covered it up with a hepatitis scare which was claimed he got from swallowing some gob.

From what I have read, there was a "British System" within
the UK health system in the late 60's/early 70's to prescribe heroin
to people who their psychiatrists thought needed the drug,
through Drug Dependency Units (DDU) established by the Ministry of Health.
Thus it appears the UK Parliament was the one importing much of the
Golden Crescent opium directly.
Well some truth at last but in 1964 there were around 350 registered Heroin addicts in the UK.
City of the Dead was the B-side to Complete Control (the 2nd Clash anthem)
and that single was released 23 September 1977 (U.K.) .

Clearly, there are members of this forum who hate Joe Strummer and make up
ugly stories about him -- weird.

350 who were registered heroin addicts -- the rest, who preferred not to deal with the psychiatrists,
or who were being weaned onto methadone by those clinics,
'scored' their heroin on the street.
Thanks for the info I had no idea where City of the Dead come from. I'm not sure if I've ever heard it.

Everyone here hates Joe Strummer. Why don't you?

You are correct in 1977 the UK was wall to wall deep in junkies. You couldn't go to the local supermarket without bumping into one. I'm amazed there are any people left living here it was such an epidemic.
I can only imagine drug addicts/dealers and record companies/organized crime
who would hate Strummer.

It is practically impossible to distribute illegal drugs down a static pyramid
of unchanging drug dealers and addicts, down from the Drug Kingpin who imports the drugs,
without the police knowing all about it.
Heavy bribes must go to the police/fbi/dea to allow such drug dealing to occur.

Generally, the corrupt news media does not show those bribes and usually
present a glamorized picture of police and detectives.
In the USA, the only depictions of police corruption for a long time were
the snippet in The Godfather where the police Captain McCluskey is shown allied
with drug dealer Sollozzo, in a movie that essentially presents the Corleone
crime family as the drug police, and
in the movie Serpico (1973), which showed a lot more of how police behave
when "on the take".

These police presentations are rare in the media and this facilitates the drug business.
Initially, in New York City, police tried to designate areas we call "drug turf"
in black neighbourhoods, like Harlem (area in NYC between Manhattan and The Bronx),
referred to as "Uptown" and "the dark areas" in The Godfather.
But recently, drugs are spreading to the 'heartland' of the USA (i.e. the area between the coasts)
and that has everyone here worried.

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Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction

Post by matedog » 06 Mar 2019, 8:32pm

What the hell is going on in this thread? Is this dude saying there was a conspiracy to change joes lyrics from the shitty early version to the final version?
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction

Post by Aeneas » 06 Mar 2019, 8:44pm

matedog wrote:
06 Mar 2019, 8:32pm
What the hell is going on in this thread? Is this dude saying there was a conspiracy to change joes lyrics from the shitty early version to the final version?
This sounds like the record company.
Interestingly, I have yet to see a video on Youtube which shows Strummer
singing the 1st Stanza of I'm So Bored With The USA, which talks about
the US soldier's experience with heroin in Vietnam
Clearly, the record company forbade him to sing that part of the song,
on orders from their allies in organized crime.

If anyone has a video in which Strummer sings All the lyrics of the song,
I would like to see it -- it should be posted on Youtube and other sites.

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Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction

Post by Flex » 06 Mar 2019, 8:47pm

Aeneas wrote:
06 Mar 2019, 8:44pm
This sounds like the record company.
carve this on my fucking tombstone
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Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction

Post by Wolter » 06 Mar 2019, 9:47pm

Flex wrote:
06 Mar 2019, 8:47pm
Aeneas wrote:
06 Mar 2019, 8:44pm
This sounds like the record company.
carve this on my fucking tombstone
Your tombstone will americana for humbug
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