Re: The Dizzle and Jimmy Jizzle's Thread o'Bruce
Posted: 03 Apr 2018, 4:12pm
You have to pity a guy who thinks Steven Van Zandt showing up somewhere is too good to be true.
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Re: The Dizzle and Jimmy Jizzle's Thread o'Bruce
Posted: 05 Apr 2018, 2:12pm
Re: The Dizzle and Jimmy Jizzle's Thread o'Bruce
Posted: 05 Apr 2018, 2:18pm
Jimmy Jazz wrote: ↑05 Apr 2018, 2:12pmYou have to pity a guy who thinks Steven Van Zandt showing up somewhere is too good to be true.
Re: The Dizzle and Jimmy Jizzle's Thread o'Bruce
Posted: 11 Apr 2018, 6:20pm
This whole article is bizarre. I kind of pity everyone involved.Jimmy Jazz wrote: ↑05 Apr 2018, 2:12pmYou have to pity a guy who thinks Steven Van Zandt showing up somewhere is too good to be true.
Re: The Dizzle and Jimmy Jizzle's Thread o'Bruce
Posted: 24 Apr 2018, 12:36pm
I thought this was real interesting:
https://africasacountry.com/2014/01/whe ... n-mandela/
https://africasacountry.com/2014/01/whe ... n-mandela/
Re: The Dizzle and Jimmy Jizzle's Thread o'Bruce
Posted: 24 Apr 2018, 12:46pm
As talented a musician and songwriter as Paul Simon is, the prevalence of stories about him being a colossal prick is pretty overwhelming.eumaas wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 12:36pmI thought this was real interesting:
https://africasacountry.com/2014/01/whe ... n-mandela/
Re: The Dizzle and Jimmy Jizzle's Thread o'Bruce
Posted: 24 Apr 2018, 4:12pm
Super fascinating. I admittedly didn't know Graceland was at least partly recorded in S. Africa at that time.eumaas wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 12:36pmI thought this was real interesting:
https://africasacountry.com/2014/01/whe ... n-mandela/
Re: The Dizzle and Jimmy Jizzle's Thread o'Bruce
Posted: 24 Apr 2018, 6:34pm
I obviously don't know enough about the situation, but I don't really understand how a "cultural boycott" works. It seems like it would have an adverse effect on black South Africans and that Graceland not only paid the performers (some even got songwriting credits), but it helped expose that culture to a larger audience (via a watered down white performer, sure, but still). I don't see how it perpetuated or exploited apartheid.eumaas wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 12:36pmI thought this was real interesting:
https://africasacountry.com/2014/01/whe ... n-mandela/
Re: The Dizzle and Jimmy Jizzle's Thread o'Bruce
Posted: 24 Apr 2018, 6:44pm
That was the nut of the whole thing. It bound up opposition to a state system of oppression with everything within that state. It was well meaning but poorly laid out so that the boycott hurt the people it was meant to help.matedog wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 6:34pmI obviously don't know enough about the situation, but I don't really understand how a "cultural boycott" works. It seems like it would have an adverse effect on black South Africans and that Graceland not only paid the performers (some even got songwriting credits), but it helped expose that culture to a larger audience (via a watered down white performer, sure, but still). I don't see how it perpetuated or exploited apartheid.eumaas wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 12:36pmI thought this was real interesting:
https://africasacountry.com/2014/01/whe ... n-mandela/
Re: The Dizzle and Jimmy Jizzle's Thread o'Bruce
Posted: 25 Apr 2018, 12:27am
So Paul Simon was right and SVZ was wrong?Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 6:44pmThat was the nut of the whole thing. It bound up opposition to a state system of oppression with everything within that state. It was well meaning but poorly laid out so that the boycott hurt the people it was meant to help.matedog wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 6:34pmI obviously don't know enough about the situation, but I don't really understand how a "cultural boycott" works. It seems like it would have an adverse effect on black South Africans and that Graceland not only paid the performers (some even got songwriting credits), but it helped expose that culture to a larger audience (via a watered down white performer, sure, but still). I don't see how it perpetuated or exploited apartheid.eumaas wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 12:36pmI thought this was real interesting:
https://africasacountry.com/2014/01/whe ... n-mandela/
Re: The Dizzle and Jimmy Jizzle's Thread o'Bruce
Posted: 25 Apr 2018, 3:39am
I’ve always had some sympathy for Simon on this issue but at the same time have to ask myself whether I’d feel that way if Graceland wasn’t such a beautiful and remarkable record. It May well have been fundamentally wrong, for all of Simons obviously good intentions, but the thing is I can’t see any material evidence of what harm it did while the good that came out of it is much easier to quantify. That’s the major dilemma about it I feel.
Re: The Dizzle and Jimmy Jizzle's Thread o'Bruce
Posted: 25 Apr 2018, 6:21am
In my understanding of things, yeah. But, complicating things, I've read claims by musicians that Simon was a credit hog on that album. Los Lobos played on one song and said they wrote the music, but Simon claimed full credit, denying them royalties.matedog wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 12:27amSo Paul Simon was right and SVZ was wrong?Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 6:44pmThat was the nut of the whole thing. It bound up opposition to a state system of oppression with everything within that state. It was well meaning but poorly laid out so that the boycott hurt the people it was meant to help.matedog wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 6:34pmI obviously don't know enough about the situation, but I don't really understand how a "cultural boycott" works. It seems like it would have an adverse effect on black South Africans and that Graceland not only paid the performers (some even got songwriting credits), but it helped expose that culture to a larger audience (via a watered down white performer, sure, but still). I don't see how it perpetuated or exploited apartheid.eumaas wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 12:36pmI thought this was real interesting:
https://africasacountry.com/2014/01/whe ... n-mandela/
Re: The Dizzle and Jimmy Jizzle's Thread o'Bruce
Posted: 25 Apr 2018, 6:34am
Art Garfunkel's Never End Apartheid was only well received in very specialist quarters.Low Down Low wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 3:39amI’ve always had some sympathy for Simon on this issue but at the same time have to ask myself whether I’d feel that way if Graceland wasn’t such a beautiful and remarkable record. It May well have been fundamentally wrong, for all of Simons obviously good intentions, but the thing is I can’t see any material evidence of what harm it did while the good that came out of it is much easier to quantify. That’s the major dilemma about it I feel.
Re: The Dizzle and Jimmy Jizzle's Thread o'Bruce
Posted: 25 Apr 2018, 6:39am
Both were wrong, but Van Zandt was less wrong and involved in the ground, took pains to educate himself, and comes out of the situation with much more credibility. I really respect Little Stevie.matedog wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 12:27amSo Paul Simon was right and SVZ was wrong?Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 6:44pmThat was the nut of the whole thing. It bound up opposition to a state system of oppression with everything within that state. It was well meaning but poorly laid out so that the boycott hurt the people it was meant to help.matedog wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 6:34pmI obviously don't know enough about the situation, but I don't really understand how a "cultural boycott" works. It seems like it would have an adverse effect on black South Africans and that Graceland not only paid the performers (some even got songwriting credits), but it helped expose that culture to a larger audience (via a watered down white performer, sure, but still). I don't see how it perpetuated or exploited apartheid.eumaas wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 12:36pmI thought this was real interesting:
https://africasacountry.com/2014/01/whe ... n-mandela/
Re: The Dizzle and Jimmy Jizzle's Thread o'Bruce
Posted: 25 Apr 2018, 7:34am
Art Garfunkel actually wrote some songs? Must check that out.Silent Majority wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 6:34amArt Garfunkel's Never End Apartheid was only well received in very specialist quarters.Low Down Low wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 3:39amI’ve always had some sympathy for Simon on this issue but at the same time have to ask myself whether I’d feel that way if Graceland wasn’t such a beautiful and remarkable record. It May well have been fundamentally wrong, for all of Simons obviously good intentions, but the thing is I can’t see any material evidence of what harm it did while the good that came out of it is much easier to quantify. That’s the major dilemma about it I feel.