Star Trek

[eumaas]

STAR TREK BEYOND IS GOOD AS HELL FOLKS

I really liked it. Shame about Yelchin.

[Silent Majority]

STAR TREK BEYOND IS GOOD AS HELL FOLKS

I really liked it. Shame about Yelchin.

He was a guy who I was counting on low key enjoying for the next fifty years.

[Flex]

I really liked it. Shame about Yelchin.

He was a guy who I was counting on low key enjoying for the next fifty years.

Yeah, same.

[Dr. Medulla]

I never watched more than a few episodes of the last season of Enterprise (unfortunately, one of those was the finale), but it's on Netflix, so I've been slowly going thru it. While it's not awful, it's really just rather boring and weighted down by trying to explain future Trek stories. Assuming I'm not completely put off by this season, I'll go back to the start and try it again.

(But, Christ, that theme song is one of the worst things ever. Any review of an episode is mandated to dock at least one letter grade because of that theme.)

[Flex]

I never watched more than a few episodes of the last season of Enterprise (unfortunately, one of those was the finale), but it's on Netflix, so I've been slowly going thru it. While it's not awful, it's really just rather boring and weighted down by trying to explain future Trek stories. Assuming I'm not completely put off by this season, I'll go back to the start and try it again.

(But, Christ, that theme song is one of the worst things ever. Any review of an episode is mandated to dock at least one letter grade because of that theme.)

I think I just felt numb by the time I got to that final season. I did not cotton to the "prequel stories season" idea at all. Just a whole season of weird, unnecessary fan service.

[Dr. Medulla]

I never watched more than a few episodes of the last season of Enterprise (unfortunately, one of those was the finale), but it's on Netflix, so I've been slowly going thru it. While it's not awful, it's really just rather boring and weighted down by trying to explain future Trek stories. Assuming I'm not completely put off by this season, I'll go back to the start and try it again.

(But, Christ, that theme song is one of the worst things ever. Any review of an episode is mandated to dock at least one letter grade because of that theme.)

I think I just felt numb by the time I got to that final season. I did not cotton to the "prequel stories season" idea at all. Just a whole season of weird, unnecessary fan service.

Pretty much. Like an admission that the concept didn't have any natural juice of its own, so it went for the nerdiest of nerds who prize continuity above all else.

[Silent Majority]

I never watched more than a few episodes of the last season of Enterprise (unfortunately, one of those was the finale), but it's on Netflix, so I've been slowly going thru it. While it's not awful, it's really just rather boring and weighted down by trying to explain future Trek stories. Assuming I'm not completely put off by this season, I'll go back to the start and try it again.

(But, Christ, that theme song is one of the worst things ever. Any review of an episode is mandated to dock at least one letter grade because of that theme.)

I think I just felt numb by the time I got to that final season. I did not cotton to the "prequel stories season" idea at all. Just a whole season of weird, unnecessary fan service.

Pretty much. Like an admission that the concept didn't have any natural juice of its own, so it went for the nerdiest of nerds who prize continuity above all else.

I just remembered that I know how Enterprise ends. Hah.

[eumaas]

I hated that damn show, and I gave up at the end of the first season. Never seen the rest of it.

[Dr. Medulla]

I hated that damn show, and I gave up at the end of the first season. Never seen the rest of it.

My memory of the 3rd season—the one driven by the Sept 11-like attack by a genocidal alien race—is that it was okay. Or at least had purpose, which is what that show always seemed to lack (both in story and characters). Better than the first seasons of TNG or DS9, anyway (file under: Tallest Midget).

[Flex]

My memory of the 3rd season—the one driven by the Sept 11-like attack by a genocidal alien race—is that it was okay. Or at least had purpose, which is what that show always seemed to lack (both in story and characters). Better than the first seasons of TNG or DS9, anyway (file under: Tallest Midget).

I actually think the first couple of seasons of DS9 are underrated - they were figuring their shit out for sure, but the idea that we were gonna see Starfleet involved in a civil rebuilding project is a pretty interesting one. When it worked, it was great. There's no way to know if the writing would have solidified under the show's original course, but the pivot to the dominion war made for entertaining, but ultimately more conventional, television. Which isn't to say DS9 didn't get better starting in season three - it definitely did - but I think the show actually started with a more ambitious and unique premise than what they eventually settled on (and occasionally delivered on), which should count for something.

Josh Marsfelder's thought provoking rehabilitation of season one TNG aside, I agree that show didn't really land on a coherent vision of what it should be about until season three.

I recall being somewhat keen on Enterprise season three when I first watched it (documented in this thread somewhere, no doubt), but I just can't fathom a scenario where I rewatch it and find it's aged at all well.

[Dr. Medulla]

My memory of the 3rd season—the one driven by the Sept 11-like attack by a genocidal alien race—is that it was okay. Or at least had purpose, which is what that show always seemed to lack (both in story and characters). Better than the first seasons of TNG or DS9, anyway (file under: Tallest Midget).

I actually think the first couple of seasons of DS9 are underrated - they were figuring their shit out for sure, but the idea that we were gonna see Starfleet involved in a civil rebuilding project is a pretty interesting one. When it worked, it was great. There's no way to know if the writing would have solidified under the show's original course, but the pivot to the dominion war made for entertaining, but ultimately more conventional, television. Which isn't to say DS9 didn't get better starting in season three - it definitely did - but I think the show actually started with a more ambitious and unique premise than what they eventually settled on (and occasionally delivered on), which should count for something.

Definitely, DS9 was ambitious and had a clear purpose from the start—even apart from being different in tone from previous Trek—but it lumbers along and emphasizes the "we're all suspicious of each other" angle too hard. It's rough watching when everyone seems snarly toward each other. Plus, and this is my own personal lack of interest, crap about Bajoran spirituality was boring as fuck.

I recall being somewhat keen on Enterprise season three when I first watched it (documented in this thread somewhere, no doubt), but I just can't fathom a scenario where I rewatch it and find it's aged at all well.

My recollection was that the first third or half of the season wasn't terribly engaging, but then it became clearer that these things were all tying in together and I became much more interested to see how it would play out.

[eumaas]

Plus, and this is my own personal lack of interest, crap about Bajoran spirituality was boring as fuck.

True, but Bareil was cool.

[Flex]

True, but Bareil was cool.

#TeamBareil #Bareil4eva #YaaaassssBareil

Addendum: #Bareilonfleek

[eumaas]

True, but Bareil was cool.

#TeamBareil #Bareil4eva #YaaaassssBareil

"Remember Bareil?" is an in-joke between me and Kim. Long after his death, we'd be watching some ep, and at a slow moment would pipe in with that question.

Also deployed whenever Kira is having a romantic moment.

[Dr. Medulla]

True, but Bareil was cool.

#TeamBareil #Bareil4eva #YaaaassssBareil

"Remember Bareil?" is an in-joke between me and Kim. Long after his death, we'd be watching some ep, and at a slow moment would pipe in with that question.

Also deployed whenever Kira is having a romantic moment.

Didn't his death inspire an uncomfortable wailing from Kira?