Policing at it's bestSilent Majority wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 3:46amI would never have done that, yelled the Zodiac Killer.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑10 Nov 2017, 8:40pm
Watching the first Zodiac killer movie, made in 1971. "Loosely based" doesn't even come close to describing this. Super amateurish sensationalism and entertaining on that level. Fun fact: it was made chiefly in the hope that the real killer wouldn't be able to resist seeing it and that he'd somehow give himself away at a showing.
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I thought the case was solved and that Ted Cruz is Zodiac?
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Typical commie liberal justice system let him go.
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That was a creative kill, I'll give them that.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑10 Nov 2017, 8:40pm
Watching the first Zodiac killer movie, made in 1971. "Loosely based" doesn't even come close to describing this. Super amateurish sensationalism and entertaining on that level. Fun fact: it was made chiefly in the hope that the real killer wouldn't be able to resist seeing it and that he'd somehow give himself away at a showing.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
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Somehow I've never actually seen more than a few minutes of this before, but it's on a movie channel and I am utterly smitten. There are plenty of ways to criticize it, but I prefer to submit to the romance of bravery and achievement. Especially considering that all seven grew up during the Great Depression, a time of great anxiety and loss of national confidence, and take part in what is arguably their nation's supreme act of success. Hell, I can even overlook Dennis Quaid's presence (tho he has a massively creepy smile—like Nicholson's Joker).
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So I'm reading this book on The Manchurian Candidate, particularly a chapter that deals with with Ben Marco (Sinatra) meeting Rosie (Leigh) on a train. That scene has generated a shit ton of analysis because it's unclear who Rosie is and what her intentions are. Greil Marcus and Roger Ebert argued that she's a communist agent—more precisely, she's Marco's controller—each pointing to odd dialogue that suggest she's activating his programming. The authors of this book argue that she's a variation of Eleanor Iselin (Lansbury), who has an incestuous relationship with her son. That is, Rosie simultaneously wants to mother Marco and to be his lover. Worse, she is the sexual aggressor in it all (that is, she acts more like a man than he does). Okay, maybe.
But my reading of that scene has been that it's a lot simpler and more clever than others'. She is, in fact, an innocent bystander to this conspiracy, a genuinely decent person who is concerned about a strange man who is troubled, but the audience has been primed to suspect everyone and so we assume her to be part of the plot. That's the unfunny joke, that creating a climate of suspicion makes everyone both monitor and suspect, character and audience alike. When we look at Rosie and start looking for proof that she's guilty of something sinister—she can't just be a decent individual—we act out how easy it was for McCarthyism to take hold. Establish that there are traitors in our midst and we will multiply their numbers with our own imagination. I think this reading makes the scene/her character far more powerful than her being yet another subverter. Isn't it more significant to implicate the audience?
Goddamn but I love that movie. For the years I've said that Talk Radio is my favourite movie—big surprise that I'm attracted to a story about self-destruction—but maybe The Manchurian Candidate is actually my favourite.
But my reading of that scene has been that it's a lot simpler and more clever than others'. She is, in fact, an innocent bystander to this conspiracy, a genuinely decent person who is concerned about a strange man who is troubled, but the audience has been primed to suspect everyone and so we assume her to be part of the plot. That's the unfunny joke, that creating a climate of suspicion makes everyone both monitor and suspect, character and audience alike. When we look at Rosie and start looking for proof that she's guilty of something sinister—she can't just be a decent individual—we act out how easy it was for McCarthyism to take hold. Establish that there are traitors in our midst and we will multiply their numbers with our own imagination. I think this reading makes the scene/her character far more powerful than her being yet another subverter. Isn't it more significant to implicate the audience?
Goddamn but I love that movie. For the years I've said that Talk Radio is my favourite movie—big surprise that I'm attracted to a story about self-destruction—but maybe The Manchurian Candidate is actually my favourite.
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This is on a movie channel right now, so I have it on in the background. I don't think I'm being unfair for not giving it greater attention. The premise is that the Zodiac made home movies of his crimes and fifty years later they are discovered, leading to some trailer park amateur detectives to track him down. Turns the Zodiac story into a lazy crazy killer story with zero tension. I like the 1971 flick better in terms of Zodiac schlock.
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Finally watched Summer of Sam and found Adrian Brody's appearance as a punk rocker totally accurate.
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It couldn't have been any more perfect if he had been an extra in Sid and Nancy.
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Everyone knows that punk classic, "Baba O'Riley."
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Funnily enough that opening did partly inspire the Pretty Vacant intro.
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It seemed to me that Spike wasn't trying to be accurate, he was trying to make the character an obvious poser. Am I misreading it?
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Thay was my take. Millenials know what's up.
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Oh definitely, of course he's supposed to be a poseur. But it's so completely off-base that he's less a poseur than a complete idiot. It'd get the point across for him, this Brooklyn(?) kid to just speak in Dick Van Dyke cockney after spending a couple months in the UK. It'd be like a movie set in the early 90s where a Limey comes back from New York claiming to be into PE and sings Lionel Richie songs. It's totally farcical in a film that isn't otherwise (intentionally) dumb.
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