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Re: The Future of the Democratic Party
Posted: 23 Feb 2019, 9:57am
by Rat Patrol
On the plus side, two new DK's fans were just minted.
Re: The Future of the Democratic Party
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 9:11am
by revbob
Rat Patrol wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 9:57am
On the plus side, two new DK's fans were just minted.
Actual quote :
“Well, you didn’t vote for me,” Feinstein replied"
Re: The Future of the Democratic Party
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 11:21am
by WestwayKid
revbob wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 9:11am
Rat Patrol wrote: ↑23 Feb 2019, 9:57am
On the plus side, two new DK's fans were just minted.
Actual quote :
“Well, you didn’t vote for me,” Feinstein replied"
Term limits?
Re: The Future of the Democratic Party
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 11:23am
by WestwayKid
I agree that many Dems today like to talk about lofty goals - but then lack the will or desire to actually follow through...but I think there was a time where they actually did aim high and then actually do their best to follow through and I hope we can get back to that point.
Re: The Future of the Democratic Party
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 12:24pm
by Silent Majority
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WestwayKid wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 11:23am
I agree that many Dems today like to talk about lofty goals - but then lack the will or desire to actually follow through...but I think there was a time where they actually did aim high and then actually do their best to follow through and I hope we can get back to that point.
Re: The Future of the Democratic Party
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 1:27pm
by WestwayKid
Silent Majority wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 12:24pm
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WestwayKid wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 11:23am
I agree that many Dems today like to talk about lofty goals - but then lack the will or desire to actually follow through...but I think there was a time where they actually did aim high and then actually do their best to follow through and I hope we can get back to that point.
Without being too cynical about his motives - LBJ pushed through his civil rights agenda at a big (known) political price for Democrats. I wouldn't mind seeing that type of political backbone these days.
Re: The Future of the Democratic Party
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 1:35pm
by Silent Majority
WestwayKid wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 1:27pm
Silent Majority wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 12:24pm
300px-Thure_de_Thulstrup_-_L._Prang_and_Co._-_Battle_of_Gettysburg_-_Restoration_by_Adam_Cuerden_(cropped).jpg
WestwayKid wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 11:23am
I agree that many Dems today like to talk about lofty goals - but then lack the will or desire to actually follow through...but I think there was a time where they actually did aim high and then actually do their best to follow through and I hope we can get back to that point.
Without being too cynical about his motives - LBJ pushed through his civil rights agenda at a big (known) political price for Democrats. I wouldn't mind seeing that type of political backbone these days.
Very difficult to argue with the bulk of LBJ's domestic agenda. Love seeing an absolute ruthless arsehole on the side of the angels. Overseas, of course...
Re: The Future of the Democratic Party
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 1:39pm
by WestwayKid
Silent Majority wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 1:35pm
WestwayKid wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 1:27pm
Silent Majority wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 12:24pm
300px-Thure_de_Thulstrup_-_L._Prang_and_Co._-_Battle_of_Gettysburg_-_Restoration_by_Adam_Cuerden_(cropped).jpg
WestwayKid wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 11:23am
I agree that many Dems today like to talk about lofty goals - but then lack the will or desire to actually follow through...but I think there was a time where they actually did aim high and then actually do their best to follow through and I hope we can get back to that point.
Without being too cynical about his motives - LBJ pushed through his civil rights agenda at a big (known) political price for Democrats. I wouldn't mind seeing that type of political backbone these days.
Very difficult to argue with the bulk of LBJ's domestic agenda. Love seeing an absolute ruthless arsehole on the side of the angels. Overseas, of course...
He's a beloved figure in my family.
Re: The Future of the Democratic Party
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 1:51pm
by Silent Majority
WestwayKid wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 1:39pm
Silent Majority wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 1:35pm
WestwayKid wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 1:27pm
Silent Majority wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 12:24pm
300px-Thure_de_Thulstrup_-_L._Prang_and_Co._-_Battle_of_Gettysburg_-_Restoration_by_Adam_Cuerden_(cropped).jpg
WestwayKid wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 11:23am
I agree that many Dems today like to talk about lofty goals - but then lack the will or desire to actually follow through...but I think there was a time where they actually did aim high and then actually do their best to follow through and I hope we can get back to that point.
Without being too cynical about his motives - LBJ pushed through his civil rights agenda at a big (known) political price for Democrats. I wouldn't mind seeing that type of political backbone these days.
Very difficult to argue with the bulk of LBJ's domestic agenda. Love seeing an absolute ruthless arsehole on the side of the angels. Overseas, of course...
He's a beloved figure in my family.
Fascinating, compelling dude, man. Caro's still unfinished bio of him is one of my favourite ever reading experiences of my life. And I don't disagree with your opinion that the post-McGovern turning away from FDR's New Deal is what fucked the Democratic Party from whatever limited use it may have had in the 20th century.
Re: The Future of the Democratic Party
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 2:48pm
by Dr. Medulla
Silent Majority wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 1:51pm
WestwayKid wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 1:39pm
Silent Majority wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 1:35pm
WestwayKid wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 1:27pm
Silent Majority wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 12:24pm
300px-Thure_de_Thulstrup_-_L._Prang_and_Co._-_Battle_of_Gettysburg_-_Restoration_by_Adam_Cuerden_(cropped).jpg
Without being too cynical about his motives - LBJ pushed through his civil rights agenda at a big (known) political price for Democrats. I wouldn't mind seeing that type of political backbone these days.
Very difficult to argue with the bulk of LBJ's domestic agenda. Love seeing an absolute ruthless arsehole on the side of the angels. Overseas, of course...
He's a beloved figure in my family.
Fascinating, compelling dude, man. Caro's still unfinished bio of him is one of my favourite ever reading experiences of my life. And I don't disagree with your opinion that the post-McGovern turning away from FDR's New Deal is what fucked the Democratic Party from whatever limited use it may have had in the 20th century.
One of the greatest natural politicians in American history. His skills were undeniable, but he was such an insecure, needy bastard, which is partly how he got rooked into Vietnam. The last Democrat of significance who genuinely thought big.
Re: The Future of the Democratic Party
Posted: 26 Feb 2019, 12:40am
by BostonBeaneater
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 2:48pm
Silent Majority wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 1:51pm
WestwayKid wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 1:39pm
Silent Majority wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 1:35pm
WestwayKid wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 1:27pm
Without being too cynical about his motives - LBJ pushed through his civil rights agenda at a big (known) political price for Democrats. I wouldn't mind seeing that type of political backbone these days.
Very difficult to argue with the bulk of LBJ's domestic agenda. Love seeing an absolute ruthless arsehole on the side of the angels. Overseas, of course...
He's a beloved figure in my family.
Fascinating, compelling dude, man. Caro's still unfinished bio of him is one of my favourite ever reading experiences of my life. And I don't disagree with your opinion that the post-McGovern turning away from FDR's New Deal is what fucked the Democratic Party from whatever limited use it may have had in the 20th century.
He had a giant cock too! He'd show you if given the chance and calling it Jumbo.
One of the greatest natural politicians in American history. His skills were undeniable, but he was such an insecure, needy bastard, which is partly how he got rooked into Vietnam. The last Democrat of significance who genuinely thought big.
He had a giant cock too! He'd show you if given the chance and called it Jumbo.
Re: The Future of the Democratic Party
Posted: 26 Feb 2019, 7:33am
by Dr. Medulla
BostonBeaneater wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 12:40am
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 2:48pm
Silent Majority wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 1:51pm
WestwayKid wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 1:39pm
Silent Majority wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 1:35pm
Very difficult to argue with the bulk of LBJ's domestic agenda. Love seeing an absolute ruthless arsehole on the side of the angels. Overseas, of course...
He's a beloved figure in my family.
Fascinating, compelling dude, man. Caro's still unfinished bio of him is one of my favourite ever reading experiences of my life. And I don't disagree with your opinion that the post-McGovern turning away from FDR's New Deal is what fucked the Democratic Party from whatever limited use it may have had in the 20th century.
He had a giant cock too! He'd show you if given the chance and calling it Jumbo.
One of the greatest natural politicians in American history. His skills were undeniable, but he was such an insecure, needy bastard, which is partly how he got rooked into Vietnam. The last Democrat of significance who genuinely thought big.
He had a giant cock too! He'd show you if given the chance and called it Jumbo.
That must have been another thing that drove him nuts about JFK, that he got so many women with, as I understand it, nothing special at all.
Re: The Future of the Democratic Party
Posted: 26 Feb 2019, 8:19am
by revbob
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 7:33am
BostonBeaneater wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 12:40am
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He had a giant cock too! He'd show you if given the chance and calling it Jumbo.
One of the greatest natural politicians in American history. His skills were undeniable, but he was such an insecure, needy bastard, which is partly how he got rooked into Vietnam. The last Democrat of significance who genuinely thought big.
He had a giant cock too! He'd show you if given the chance and called it Jumbo.
That must have been another thing that drove him nuts about JFK, that he got so many women with, as I understand it, nothing special at all.
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I used to work with this old Mainer who would tell this story about so.e dude in the LBJ administration who like to swim in the nude and LBJ would say the guy was "trolling for corksuckers". I forget where he got his info from but I worked with this guy for like 15 years or more and I heard that story/anecdote at least a dozen times.
Re: The Future of the Democratic Party
Posted: 26 Feb 2019, 9:22am
by Dr. Medulla
revbob wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 8:19am
I used to work with this old Mainer who would tell this story about so.e dude in the LBJ administration who like to swim in the nude and LBJ would say the guy was "trolling for corksuckers". I forget where he got his info from but I worked with this guy for like 15 years or more and I heard that story/anecdote at least a dozen times.
I could see that being LBJ himself.
Re: The Future of the Democratic Party
Posted: 26 Feb 2019, 9:31am
by WestwayKid
On Inauguration Day (January 20, 1969), Johnson saw Nixon sworn in, then got on the plane to fly back to Texas. When the front door of the plane closed, Johnson pulled out a cigarette—his first cigarette he had smoked since his heart attack in 1955. One of his daughters pulled it out of his mouth and said, "Daddy, what are you doing? You're going to kill yourself." He took it back and said, "I've now raised you girls. I've now been President. Now it's my time!" From that point on, he went into a very self-destructive spiral - Historian Michael Beschloss