The coming tide.

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The coming tide.

Post by BostonBeaneater » 14 Mar 2019, 11:41pm

I don’t know if people like me can beat these fascists. I do pledge to splay as many of them as I can. I hope there is a decent and small group of humans who survive all this and does something to honor us. At the same time, aren’t we better off forgotten?
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Post by BostonBeaneater » 14 Mar 2019, 11:47pm

It’s time to put bat on brain and hurt the people who hurt us all. I wanna chop up the bastards into chum.
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Post by 101Walterton » 15 Mar 2019, 12:08am

You alright?

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Post by BostonBeaneater » 15 Mar 2019, 9:42am

101Walterton wrote:
15 Mar 2019, 12:08am
You alright?
Yeah, I am just ready to take it to these goose stepping goons.
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Post by Spiff » 15 Mar 2019, 12:17pm

As I've said here before, and on Facebook, punching a fascist is morally okay, because it's an act of self-defense due to their oft-stated philosophy to kill large portions of humankind.
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Post by WestwayKid » 15 Mar 2019, 12:28pm

BostonBeaneater wrote:
15 Mar 2019, 9:42am
101Walterton wrote:
15 Mar 2019, 12:08am
You alright?
Yeah, I am just ready to take it to these goose stepping goons.
You and me both, my friend. I'd love to know wtf goes wrong in the development of a fascist psychopath? What's the draw? I want to say they're inherently weak individuals who grasp at violence in order to feel strong because it helps them keep a lid on the fact that deep down they know they're a waste of flesh.
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Post by Dr. Medulla » 15 Mar 2019, 1:20pm

WestwayKid wrote:
15 Mar 2019, 12:28pm
I'd love to know wtf goes wrong in the development of a fascist psychopath? What's the draw? I want to say they're inherently weak individuals who grasp at violence in order to feel strong because it helps them keep a lid on the fact that deep down they know they're a waste of flesh.
You've more or less recreated Arthur Schlesinger Jr's argument from the late 1940s for why some people adopt totalitarian ideologies—i.e., they're psychologically weak. Modernity offers people the freedom to be individuals and chart their own path, he argued, but the weak-willed can't handle it and choose fascism, Nazism, or communism because it has a ready-made worldview and provides security in the mass. Which is an indirect way for Schlesinger to pat himself and his fellow liberals on the back for being tough men. Sure, psychology plays a role in these things, but I'd say brutal capitalism, where community and fellowship is reduced to market value and deals, where your value as a human being is abstracted in favour of how much profit you can make for your boss and how much you spend to keep the machinery rolling—that guts people's sense of self-worth more. This isn't me feeling sorry for these fuckheads—they made the choice of who to blame and went with people often in more marginalized circumstances than their own, and they chose to adopt violence against other human beings as their preferred method—but it's a mistake to simply dismiss the cause as mental weakness. We reduce the number of fascists and potential fascists in our midst by altering the social environment that produces that anger.
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Post by Silent Majority » 15 Mar 2019, 1:24pm

A lot of these nazis slid into it out of a brain dead online ironic whining entitlement.
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Post by WestwayKid » 15 Mar 2019, 1:47pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Mar 2019, 1:20pm
WestwayKid wrote:
15 Mar 2019, 12:28pm
I'd love to know wtf goes wrong in the development of a fascist psychopath? What's the draw? I want to say they're inherently weak individuals who grasp at violence in order to feel strong because it helps them keep a lid on the fact that deep down they know they're a waste of flesh.
You've more or less recreated Arthur Schlesinger Jr's argument from the late 1940s for why some people adopt totalitarian ideologies—i.e., they're psychologically weak. Modernity offers people the freedom to be individuals and chart their own path, he argued, but the weak-willed can't handle it and choose fascism, Nazism, or communism because it has a ready-made worldview and provides security in the mass. Which is an indirect way for Schlesinger to pat himself and his fellow liberals on the back for being tough men. Sure, psychology plays a role in these things, but I'd say brutal capitalism, where community and fellowship is reduced to market value and deals, where your value as a human being is abstracted in favour of how much profit you can make for your boss and how much you spend to keep the machinery rolling—that guts people's sense of self-worth more. This isn't me feeling sorry for these fuckheads—they made the choice of who to blame and went with people often in more marginalized circumstances than their own, and they chose to adopt violence against other human beings as their preferred method—but it's a mistake to simply dismiss the cause as mental weakness. We reduce the number of fascists and potential fascists in our midst by altering the social environment that produces that anger.
I had never thought about it in that way, but what you write makes a ton of sense!
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Post by Dr. Medulla » 15 Mar 2019, 2:02pm

WestwayKid wrote:
15 Mar 2019, 1:47pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Mar 2019, 1:20pm
WestwayKid wrote:
15 Mar 2019, 12:28pm
I'd love to know wtf goes wrong in the development of a fascist psychopath? What's the draw? I want to say they're inherently weak individuals who grasp at violence in order to feel strong because it helps them keep a lid on the fact that deep down they know they're a waste of flesh.
You've more or less recreated Arthur Schlesinger Jr's argument from the late 1940s for why some people adopt totalitarian ideologies—i.e., they're psychologically weak. Modernity offers people the freedom to be individuals and chart their own path, he argued, but the weak-willed can't handle it and choose fascism, Nazism, or communism because it has a ready-made worldview and provides security in the mass. Which is an indirect way for Schlesinger to pat himself and his fellow liberals on the back for being tough men. Sure, psychology plays a role in these things, but I'd say brutal capitalism, where community and fellowship is reduced to market value and deals, where your value as a human being is abstracted in favour of how much profit you can make for your boss and how much you spend to keep the machinery rolling—that guts people's sense of self-worth more. This isn't me feeling sorry for these fuckheads—they made the choice of who to blame and went with people often in more marginalized circumstances than their own, and they chose to adopt violence against other human beings as their preferred method—but it's a mistake to simply dismiss the cause as mental weakness. We reduce the number of fascists and potential fascists in our midst by altering the social environment that produces that anger.
I had never thought about it in that way, but what you write makes a ton of sense!
Rule of thumb: When figuring out problems involving groups of people, start with social causes, not individual.
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Post by Silent Majority » 15 Mar 2019, 4:16pm

Like trying to stop a whirlwind scattering seeds and spores
Like trying to stop a tin can tapping out jailhouse semaphore


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