No, No, Don't Worry. Racism is Pretty Much Over.

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Marky Dread wrote:
29 May 2018, 5:01pm
101Walterton wrote:
29 May 2018, 4:25pm
Surely every race, nationality, tribe, religion has displayed discriminatory behaviour since time began whether by colour, geography or iwi. Not saying everyone is equally to blame but it appears to be inherent in every society across the globe. The more powerful the aggressor the worse the atrocity.
Yes you are correct mate. Hatred has been with us since forever which is what I think you are trying to say here. As to the colour of a person's skin then that is a separate issue and I refer you to the answer given by Eumaas.
A lot of ancient societies were much more cosmopolitan than our kneejerk prejudice against the past would have us believe. Egypt and Rome would be two big examples. But even medieval Europe had more diversity than we give credit for.
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Silent Majority wrote:
29 May 2018, 2:55pm
Marky Dread wrote:
29 May 2018, 12:59pm
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29 May 2018, 4:57am
I'm pro-Diane Abbott, myself.
You are welcome to all her bullshit.

In a 1984 interview with the journal of the Labour Committee on Ireland (LCI), when asked if she saw herself as Black British, Abbott replied "No - I would self-define myself just as Black. Though I was born here in London, I couldn't identify as British and anyway most British people don't accept us as British. God! British people can be so racist".

"Most British people" so that's all colours Britain is a total multicultural race country. What a stupid fucking negative thing to say it's bullshit like this that fuels ignorance and hatred.

In 1988, Abbott claimed at a black studies conference in Philadelphia that "the British invented racism".
Only a fool would deny the existence of racism in any country but to say it was invented by the British is again just plain ignorant.

...and my all time Diane Abbott classic award goes to this fine tailored piece of bullshit.

In 1996, Abbott was criticised after she claimed that at her local hospital "blonde, blue-eyed Finnish girls" were unsuitable as nurses because they had "never met a black person before". In response Marc Wadsworth, executive member of the Anti-Racist Alliance, who is half-Finnish, pointed out that the then-current Miss Finland, Lola Odusoga, is black, of Nigerian and Finnish descent. "She's a black Finn like me," he said. Abbott's position was supported by fellow Labour MP Bernie Grant: "Bringing someone here from Finland who has never seen a black person before and expecting them to have some empathy with black people is nonsense. Scandinavian people don't know black people—they probably don't know how to take their temperature". 10/10 for toatal ignorance.

Seriously James old pal you are welcome to her.
I used to dislike her because she was a poor media performer, but she's been consistently on the right side of history for thirty years.
She has been on the right side of Diane Abbott for about 30 years is all. Like I said previously you are more than welcome to her. I have many black friends who simply can't stand her and literally cringe at the site of her on TV. I remember sitting with my pal Errol at his house when she came on TV and he says "her she goes again black, black, black, putting any just cause back another 50 years". I think it was most likely Question Time.
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eumaas wrote:
29 May 2018, 5:06pm
Marky Dread wrote:
29 May 2018, 5:01pm
101Walterton wrote:
29 May 2018, 4:25pm
Surely every race, nationality, tribe, religion has displayed discriminatory behaviour since time began whether by colour, geography or iwi. Not saying everyone is equally to blame but it appears to be inherent in every society across the globe. The more powerful the aggressor the worse the atrocity.
Yes you are correct mate. Hatred has been with us since forever which is what I think you are trying to say here. As to the colour of a person's skin then that is a separate issue and I refer you to the answer given by Eumaas.
A lot of ancient societies were much more cosmopolitan than our kneejerk prejudice against the past would have us believe. Egypt and Rome would be two big examples. But even medieval Europe had more diversity than we give credit for.
I think this is something our modern culture with films TV etc have failed us miserably with. The way that different cultures from history have been portrayed.
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eumaas wrote:
29 May 2018, 5:00pm
That said, the British Empire was highly effective in imposing racism globally.
Which is one of the amusing things about the royal wedding, having the African-American minister talking about slavery in the presence of the heads of a key institution that profited from and disseminated an ideology of white supremacy. Most of their discomfort was, I suspect, due to his style, but the content should have also made them uncomfortable.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
29 May 2018, 5:12pm
eumaas wrote:
29 May 2018, 5:00pm
That said, the British Empire was highly effective in imposing racism globally.
Which is one of the amusing things about the royal wedding, having the African-American minister talking about slavery in the presence of the heads of a key institution that profited from and disseminated an ideology of white supremacy. Most of their discomfort was, I suspect, due to his style, but the content should have also made them uncomfortable.
I hear you loud and clear mate but I doubt very much any of the so-called dignitries could care less. Probably more interested in when they were going to get fed. Seriously history is lost on those fuckers..I'm alright jack.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
29 May 2018, 5:12pm
eumaas wrote:
29 May 2018, 5:00pm
That said, the British Empire was highly effective in imposing racism globally.
Which is one of the amusing things about the royal wedding, having the African-American minister talking about slavery in the presence of the heads of a key institution that profited from and disseminated an ideology of white supremacy. Most of their discomfort was, I suspect, due to his style, but the content should have also made them uncomfortable.
Yep. Also we have come to talk about racism as a propositional attitude rather than a social structure with mateial implications. Thinking of it by analogy with sin rather than as a social structure or interconnected behaviors that concentrate power. A hell of a lot of racism is done by people who don’t necessarily hold the proposition “blacks are inferior” in their heads.
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eumaas wrote:
29 May 2018, 5:22pm
Also we have come to talk about racism as a propositional attitude rather than a social structure with mateial implications. Thinking of it by analogy with sin rather than as a social structure or interconnected behaviors that concentrate power. A hell of a lot of racism is done by people who don’t necessarily hold the proposition “blacks are inferior” in their heads.
Various critiques of modern liberalism—Tom Frank especially comes to mind—have emphasized its promotion of merit, which sounds wonderful. It's colour-blind, it's gender-neutral, etc, etc. What's not to like? But it ignores structural problems and turns deep culturally embedded issues to, fundamentally, the free market. Did you succeed? Great, you deserve it! Did you fail, too bad, but you deserve it! So, yeah, it allows people who sincerely don't believe they are racist to promote principles that entrench it and place barriers to even seeing it as an ongoing problem.
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That one got results satisfyingly quickly.

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Great to see this two-bob wanker where he truly belongs. Just a huge shame it's at our expense yet again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-44287640
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Marky Dread wrote:
29 May 2018, 5:01pm
101Walterton wrote:
29 May 2018, 4:25pm
Surely every race, nationality, tribe, religion has displayed discriminatory behaviour since time began whether by colour, geography or iwi. Not saying everyone is equally to blame but it appears to be inherent in every society across the globe. The more powerful the aggressor the worse the atrocity.
Yes you are correct mate. Hatred has been with us since forever which is what I think you are trying to say here. As to the colour of a person's skin then that is a separate issue and I refer you to the answer given by Eumaas.
Yep a dislike or distrust of anyone different to yourself has been happening for 40,000 years. Still happens to this day in the remotest most cut off parts of the world. Try going for a walk around the highlands of Papua New Guinea.
Race based slavery dates back thousands of years.

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101Walterton wrote:
29 May 2018, 8:42pm
Marky Dread wrote:
29 May 2018, 5:01pm
101Walterton wrote:
29 May 2018, 4:25pm
Surely every race, nationality, tribe, religion has displayed discriminatory behaviour since time began whether by colour, geography or iwi. Not saying everyone is equally to blame but it appears to be inherent in every society across the globe. The more powerful the aggressor the worse the atrocity.
Yes you are correct mate. Hatred has been with us since forever which is what I think you are trying to say here. As to the colour of a person's skin then that is a separate issue and I refer you to the answer given by Eumaas.
Yep a dislike or distrust of anyone different to yourself has been happening for 40,000 years. Still happens to this day in the remotest most cut off parts of the world. Try going for a walk around the highlands of Papua New Guinea.
Race based slavery dates back thousands of years.
you can keep asserting stuff without bothering to crack open a book, but it doesn't mean the idea you formulated in your head has anything to do with historical truth.
I feel that there is a fascistic element, for example, in the Rolling Stones . . .
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eumaas wrote:
29 May 2018, 8:46pm
101Walterton wrote:
29 May 2018, 8:42pm
Marky Dread wrote:
29 May 2018, 5:01pm
101Walterton wrote:
29 May 2018, 4:25pm
Surely every race, nationality, tribe, religion has displayed discriminatory behaviour since time began whether by colour, geography or iwi. Not saying everyone is equally to blame but it appears to be inherent in every society across the globe. The more powerful the aggressor the worse the atrocity.
Yes you are correct mate. Hatred has been with us since forever which is what I think you are trying to say here. As to the colour of a person's skin then that is a separate issue and I refer you to the answer given by Eumaas.
Yep a dislike or distrust of anyone different to yourself has been happening for 40,000 years. Still happens to this day in the remotest most cut off parts of the world. Try going for a walk around the highlands of Papua New Guinea.
Race based slavery dates back thousands of years.
you can keep asserting stuff without bothering to crack open a book, but it doesn't mean the idea you formulated in your head has anything to do with historical truth.
am I wrong then?

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101Walterton wrote:
29 May 2018, 8:49pm
eumaas wrote:
29 May 2018, 8:46pm
101Walterton wrote:
29 May 2018, 8:42pm
Marky Dread wrote:
29 May 2018, 5:01pm
101Walterton wrote:
29 May 2018, 4:25pm
Surely every race, nationality, tribe, religion has displayed discriminatory behaviour since time began whether by colour, geography or iwi. Not saying everyone is equally to blame but it appears to be inherent in every society across the globe. The more powerful the aggressor the worse the atrocity.
Yes you are correct mate. Hatred has been with us since forever which is what I think you are trying to say here. As to the colour of a person's skin then that is a separate issue and I refer you to the answer given by Eumaas.
Yep a dislike or distrust of anyone different to yourself has been happening for 40,000 years. Still happens to this day in the remotest most cut off parts of the world. Try going for a walk around the highlands of Papua New Guinea.
Race based slavery dates back thousands of years.
you can keep asserting stuff without bothering to crack open a book, but it doesn't mean the idea you formulated in your head has anything to do with historical truth.
am I wrong then?
Yes. Race-based slavery is a historically recent phenomenon. The point about xenophobia is fine, obviously various social groups have fought each other throughout history, but color racism and race-based slavery are modern concepts.
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eumaas wrote:
29 May 2018, 8:51pm
101Walterton wrote:
29 May 2018, 8:49pm
eumaas wrote:
29 May 2018, 8:46pm
101Walterton wrote:
29 May 2018, 8:42pm
Marky Dread wrote:
29 May 2018, 5:01pm


Yes you are correct mate. Hatred has been with us since forever which is what I think you are trying to say here. As to the colour of a person's skin then that is a separate issue and I refer you to the answer given by Eumaas.
Yep a dislike or distrust of anyone different to yourself has been happening for 40,000 years. Still happens to this day in the remotest most cut off parts of the world. Try going for a walk around the highlands of Papua New Guinea.
Race based slavery dates back thousands of years.
you can keep asserting stuff without bothering to crack open a book, but it doesn't mean the idea you formulated in your head has anything to do with historical truth.
am I wrong then?
Yes. Race-based slavery is a historically recent phenomenon. The point about xenophobia is fine, obviously various social groups have fought each other throughout history, but color racism and race-based slavery are modern concepts.
Ancient Greece?

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101Walterton wrote:
29 May 2018, 8:55pm
eumaas wrote:
29 May 2018, 8:51pm
101Walterton wrote:
29 May 2018, 8:49pm
eumaas wrote:
29 May 2018, 8:46pm
101Walterton wrote:
29 May 2018, 8:42pm


Yep a dislike or distrust of anyone different to yourself has been happening for 40,000 years. Still happens to this day in the remotest most cut off parts of the world. Try going for a walk around the highlands of Papua New Guinea.
Race based slavery dates back thousands of years.
you can keep asserting stuff without bothering to crack open a book, but it doesn't mean the idea you formulated in your head has anything to do with historical truth.
am I wrong then?
Yes. Race-based slavery is a historically recent phenomenon. The point about xenophobia is fine, obviously various social groups have fought each other throughout history, but color racism and race-based slavery are modern concepts.
Ancient Greece?
Nothing race-particular or -justified there. Seriously, conceptions of race as ideological categories and all that descends from there are a product of the Enlightenment.
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