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Wilmore got worked up the exact way a troll wants you to get worked up. Yeah, it's cool that he said "fuck off" and told him off, but that's exactly what he wanted him to do.
I agree. The problem was that the shithead had an audience when it happened. Anything that happens with an audience for these people is good for them because it ends up validating that they have a legitimacy, even meriting being told off in public. Telling them to go fuck themselves is done outside the platform, where there is no mass audience. Refusing to participate is the right strategy. Liberals and even Leftists don't get that the usual rules do not apply, that Nazis are not concerned with normal manners and respectability and being shamed, so you can't beat them that way. Don't fucking well grant them legitimacy by inviting them into a public forum as if it's a policy difference being debated. They loathe democracy so why let democratic exchange empower them?
That was the online-only afterhours part of the show...not the broadcast. He didn't have the big audience lapping it up for all its crapulence like he did during the main show when Maher was fluffing his ego. And because it wasn't the main show...he had his guard down a bit. Maher had his guard down a bit and wasn't as quick to "moderate" by talking over the other panelists. And the conservative white dude on the panel had his guard down a bit and couldn't shout some irrelevant side conversation over the exchange to make sure what was being said was lost in the din. Door wide open...and both Wilmore and the other black panelist (the CIA/intel guy) walked through it and got a punch off.

Was it a knockout blow? Of course not. But it was a stark contrast to the coronation that Maher was serving up for him in the broadcast portion, and he was momentarily stunned. Further, what provoked the retaliation was that rant of his about trans ID-as-psychopathy, and the counterpoint that all marginalized groups were slimed with that same mental defectiveness declaration...including gays. The point Wilmore was trying to muscle through is that the messaging was ever-so portable to any era's marginalized whipping-group du jour. His point managed to stand because he managed to distract and temporarily stun the troll before the feces-cannon got emptied and his point was completely forgotten. Milo AND Maher would've been ready for that preemptively during the broadcast. They were a step slow and not ready for it on the after-show.


Why is this significant? Because that same line of discussion Milo got confronted with here is exactly the subject he hoisted his own petard on 48 hours later. He was playing aggressive offense, throwing around more of those compare/contrast ID-as-psychopathy scenarios around, went way out on a limb with one of those comparisons...and the limb snapped. Career over, and all the alt-right dark money (like Breitbart's silent billionare owner) bankrolling him vanished. Why'd he take such an outsized risk? Because he got caught in a weak spot on the very same subject just a couple days earlier...and only for the grace of it being Internet-only bonus footage did he dodge a bullet. Overcompensation time to cover up that little slip, and so in his very next public appearance he comes out trying way too hard to cause a blush...didn't self-edit the schtick with his usual amount of thoroughness to minimize self-injury potential...and impaled himself.

Did one event directly cause the other? Only Milo knows for sure what sequence of events went on in his own head. But there most certainly is some correlation between getting nicked on the soft underbelly one night then going doubly reckless on the same subject in the very next public appearance. He didn't have any need to up the ante. Nor was his id so out-of-control that a little fame made implosion inevitable; everything Milo does is tactical and well-coordinated in message with where the alt-right money flows. Maher's softball treatment on the broadcast was just a red carpet for him to say the same things he'd always said. More and louder...sure. Edgier?...no, he had no tactical reason whatsoever to take an off-balance home-run swing on a taboo that risky to his own backers. His endgame is fascist rule, not Andy Kaufman. There would've been plenty of time to take it up a notch. Not on his very next public appearance when he had just clinched this week as the best week of his life as a money-maker and newsmaker and was just waiting for the first really big checks to clear. So why was he so tactically inclined to take that enormous a risk?

A vulnerability was exposed, it was gnawing on him...and he was in a sloppy and distracted state-of-mind. And it induced an unforced error. The worst kind of unforced error imaginable. I am fairly confident that the risk taken wouldn't have been quite so brazen with consequences quite so total had it not been gnawing at him that The Black Guy the other night landed a punch on him. Landed a punch by NOT kowtowing to the troll's rules of asynchronous assumption of decorum that doesn't actually exist. It doesn't take a knock-out blow because the bullying Nazi's assumption of self-regulating one-sided decorum is built on a house of cards. They aren't prepared when one of their marks doesn't conform to that norm, as there's no Plan B for fighting where they have punch on-level instead of solely punching down. So they end up becoming far more liable to crap their own pants in a mad scramble to find some new play-on-norms from which to launch asynchronous social warfare. With Milo it was simply a far more spectacular display of combustible sharts shooting through every orifice...not any kind of surprising that he couldn't think on his feet half as well as he thought he could. Bullies can never think well on their feet when they're knocked off-balance and have to scramble.

This is how Nazi Punchers succeed at punching Nazis; they get over the mental fake-out of phony decorum and quickly figure out that Nazis have no clue how to take a punch.

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From the perspective of presidential anecdotes, LBJ was the last of the mighty, colourful presidents. He supposedly declared Nixon's tax reform as the worst thing that had happened to the country since pantyhose ruined finger fucking.
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How do you look at the weather and think it's normal?
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I'm no scientist, but jesus christ.
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I'm no scientist, but jesus christ.
Last year we had some really warm days in February. I baited my conspiracy-theorist dad by saying "so much for global warming, huh?", and he said something along the lines of "the only real problem is these chemtrails ruining our beautiful blue sky."
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eumaas wrote:
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How do you look at the weather and think it's normal?
Massachusetts just had its earliest-ever tornado, and first-ever recorded in month of February after 400 years of Anglo-human habitation.

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^--- Pieces of roof lodged in snowbank from blizzard 2 weeks ago.


See, warm winters are totes improvement because fuck blue states!

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Damned Millennials with their skinny jeans, bushy beards, iPhones, and security leakin'!
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
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Damned Millennials with their skinny jeans, bushy beards, iPhones, and security leakin'!
https://theintercept.com/2017/03/10/for ... ent-leaks/
more proof millenials rule :cool:
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Worthwhile essay by Rick Perlstein on the misplaced value in equating being smart with superiority: https://thebaffler.com/salvos/outsmarted-perlstein

While I agree with the basic thrust of the argument, that liberals especially allow themselves to think that intelligence necessarily equates to morality, which allows them to support monstrous acts, accepting this critique seems to send a person along a trajectory where intelligence as a virtue can be discounted altogether. The value of intelligence is circumstantial—I don't call a brain surgeon t set up a database; I don't need an engineer to better understand totalitarianism—but there's a risk of unmooring it altogether as something that can be measured, letting it float off as a quality worth achieving.
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Worthwhile essay by Rick Perlstein on the misplaced value in equating being smart with superiority: https://thebaffler.com/salvos/outsmarted-perlstein

While I agree with the basic thrust of the argument, that liberals especially allow themselves to think that intelligence necessarily equates to morality, which allows them to support monstrous acts, accepting this critique seems to send a person along a trajectory where intelligence as a virtue can be discounted altogether. The value of intelligence is circumstantial—I don't call a brain surgeon t set up a database; I don't need an engineer to better understand totalitarianism—but there's a risk of unmooring it altogether as something that can be measured, letting it float off as a quality worth achieving.
Good article. I dunno if I'd be too worried about the natural takeaway being taking away intelligence as a virtue in all circumstances. I also think there are different ways to define intelligence (duh), and some permutations probably Aren't particularly worth considering as virtues anymore.

When I think of intelligence as a positive virtue, I think of the ability to be open-minded, to be inquisitive, to have a desire to seek out in same fashion the new and the unknown. That's largely rather different than what this article is taking about.

Part of the article, quite rightly, also seems to focus on mistaking "being smart" with political action. The description of the Rally to Restore Sanity is so accurate and so damning.
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When I think of intelligence as a positive virtue, I think of the ability to be open-minded, to be inquisitive, to have a desire to seek out in same fashion the new and the unknown. That's largely rather different than what this article is taking about.
Precisely. Where I respect intelligence, it's those who are curious, which should be paired with humility. It's the acceptance that you might be wrong about this question of that, so you're eager to take in other ideas and evidence. Which also means that this is a process that lasts until death. Those who use their gifts, whether it's creative thought or ability to sythesize ideas, to shut down and dominate, I can't respect them, regardless of how much better they are than me at what they do. If you're not looking to be challenged, to risk having to change your views because the evidence or someone else's interpretation exposes a deep flaw, I don't see the point of reading or thinking or arguing. Being proven wrong should be considered a victory—you've put an erroneous belief behind you—yet we treat being smart as not being proven wrong. It's an ego thing, of course, but our aha moments in live come from our beliefs been exposed as faulty, so embrace it.
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Quick observation about the Dutch election: Perhaps an electoral system that doesn't punish "fringe" parties means that when people are frustrated by the status quo, their only means of registering that frustration isn't voting for a fascist. Also, when a prominent fascist is running, turnout is pretty dang important.
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I give the Dems a ton of shit - which they deserve - but ROFLCOPTER the fucking Repubs can't even get their signature #1 priority of the last SEVEN YEARS passed even though they have complete control of the government.
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Being in opposition is easy, especially when your uniting premise is that government for the common good is wrong. Being in charge and possibly being held responsible fucks with that fantasy, toot sweet. It's also kinda tough to repeal a very Republican plan whose chief sin is having that Negroid usurper's name attached to it.

Edit: Easy prediction. Trump and Ryan will each saddle the other with the blame. Only Trump will do it openly and petulently; Ryan will go thru surrogates and friendly reporters.

Edit Jr: Ahahaha. Trump is blaming Democrats for not supporting the repeal—that's why it collapsed. Technically true, but …
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