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these sorts of sentiments are common
these sorts of sentiments are common
I feel that there is a fascistic element, for example, in the Rolling Stones . . .
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— Morton Feldman
I've studied the phenomenon of neo-provincialism in self-isolating online communities but this place takes the fucking cake.
— Clashy
Re: The Dictator observations thread.
Often paired with an invincible ignorance of how much continuity there is between Trump and American history.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 11:50amOne thing that drives me batty is the common discourse where liberal = left. This lazy binary thinking where not being conservative must mean being left. There's some overlap in cultural areas, where centrists have accepted a lot of leftist cultural liberation arguments, but when it comes to most every other area—trade, taxes, foreign policy—there's a fuck of a lot more daylight between liberal and left than liberal and conservative.
I feel that there is a fascistic element, for example, in the Rolling Stones . . .
— Morton Feldman
I've studied the phenomenon of neo-provincialism in self-isolating online communities but this place takes the fucking cake.
— Clashy
— Morton Feldman
I've studied the phenomenon of neo-provincialism in self-isolating online communities but this place takes the fucking cake.
— Clashy
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Point them out to me and I will squirt poison in their face at the Khartoum International Airport.eumaas wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 11:49amWell, for one thing a lot of people upset that the US flag was displayed as equal to the DPRK's. Also a lot of upset over Trump saying he'd pull out American troops and end wargames. And precisely none of them have said anything about Korean self-determination or how South Koreans overwhelmingly support the peace process.BostonBeaneater wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 11:45amWhat variety of jingoism are you hearing? Our government has been cozy with cruel strongmen since the country was founded. I think a lot of this is just a nice little distraction and an opportunity for Trump to pat himself on the beck yet again.
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What was it like working with SpielbergBostonBeaneater wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 11:54amPoint them out to me and I will squirt poison in their face at the Khartoum International Airport.
I feel that there is a fascistic element, for example, in the Rolling Stones . . .
— Morton Feldman
I've studied the phenomenon of neo-provincialism in self-isolating online communities but this place takes the fucking cake.
— Clashy
— Morton Feldman
I've studied the phenomenon of neo-provincialism in self-isolating online communities but this place takes the fucking cake.
— Clashy
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Fine until he put his hand on my knee.eumaas wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 11:56amWhat was it like working with SpielbergBostonBeaneater wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 11:54amPoint them out to me and I will squirt poison in their face at the Khartoum International Airport.
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The idea that Trump is the logical, if extreme, result of neoliberalism and erosion of the public sphere and not some aberration (rooted in personality, of course) is a numbing (read: frustrating) conversation I've had with various family members over the past eighteen months. It's like once the cancerous lung is removed, they can go back to smoking and everything will be fine.eumaas wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 11:53amOften paired with an invincible ignorance of how much continuity there is between Trump and American history.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 11:50amOne thing that drives me batty is the common discourse where liberal = left. This lazy binary thinking where not being conservative must mean being left. There's some overlap in cultural areas, where centrists have accepted a lot of leftist cultural liberation arguments, but when it comes to most every other area—trade, taxes, foreign policy—there's a fuck of a lot more daylight between liberal and left than liberal and conservative.
"Ain't no party like an S Club party!'" - Richard Nixon, Checkers Speech, abandoned early draft
Re: The Dictator observations thread.
I think the reason leftists downplay the Russia stuff is that Russia provides a handy excuse for people who prefer to see Trump as a foreign infection rather than a cancer (to use your metaphor).Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 12:17pmThe idea that Trump is the logical, if extreme, result of neoliberalism and erosion of the public sphere and not some aberration (rooted in personality, of course) is a numbing (read: frustrating) conversation I've had with various family members over the past eighteen months. It's like once the cancerous lung is removed, they can go back to smoking and everything will be fine.eumaas wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 11:53amOften paired with an invincible ignorance of how much continuity there is between Trump and American history.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 11:50amOne thing that drives me batty is the common discourse where liberal = left. This lazy binary thinking where not being conservative must mean being left. There's some overlap in cultural areas, where centrists have accepted a lot of leftist cultural liberation arguments, but when it comes to most every other area—trade, taxes, foreign policy—there's a fuck of a lot more daylight between liberal and left than liberal and conservative.
I feel that there is a fascistic element, for example, in the Rolling Stones . . .
— Morton Feldman
I've studied the phenomenon of neo-provincialism in self-isolating online communities but this place takes the fucking cake.
— Clashy
— Morton Feldman
I've studied the phenomenon of neo-provincialism in self-isolating online communities but this place takes the fucking cake.
— Clashy
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And yet one can embrace a systemic or ideological larger explanation while seeing that the Russia component is part of the more unique historical circumstance. You don't need Russia to understand this, but it doesn't make Russia irrelevant to explain some of the more particular or personal aspects. There are lots of things going on and depending on where you train your vision, something analyses are more valuable than others.eumaas wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 12:27pmI think the reason leftists downplay the Russia stuff is that Russia provides a handy excuse for people who prefer to see Trump as a foreign infection rather than a cancer (to use your metaphor).Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 12:17pmThe idea that Trump is the logical, if extreme, result of neoliberalism and erosion of the public sphere and not some aberration (rooted in personality, of course) is a numbing (read: frustrating) conversation I've had with various family members over the past eighteen months. It's like once the cancerous lung is removed, they can go back to smoking and everything will be fine.eumaas wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 11:53amOften paired with an invincible ignorance of how much continuity there is between Trump and American history.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 11:50amOne thing that drives me batty is the common discourse where liberal = left. This lazy binary thinking where not being conservative must mean being left. There's some overlap in cultural areas, where centrists have accepted a lot of leftist cultural liberation arguments, but when it comes to most every other area—trade, taxes, foreign policy—there's a fuck of a lot more daylight between liberal and left than liberal and conservative.
"Ain't no party like an S Club party!'" - Richard Nixon, Checkers Speech, abandoned early draft
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To me the Russia stuff is just symptomatic of a worldwide trend towards fascism. I mean just look at Europe right now.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 12:43pmAnd yet one can embrace a systemic or ideological larger explanation while seeing that the Russia component is part of the more unique historical circumstance. You don't need Russia to understand this, but it doesn't make Russia irrelevant to explain some of the more particular or personal aspects. There are lots of things going on and depending on where you train your vision, something analyses are more valuable than others.eumaas wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 12:27pmI think the reason leftists downplay the Russia stuff is that Russia provides a handy excuse for people who prefer to see Trump as a foreign infection rather than a cancer (to use your metaphor).Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 12:17pmThe idea that Trump is the logical, if extreme, result of neoliberalism and erosion of the public sphere and not some aberration (rooted in personality, of course) is a numbing (read: frustrating) conversation I've had with various family members over the past eighteen months. It's like once the cancerous lung is removed, they can go back to smoking and everything will be fine.eumaas wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 11:53amOften paired with an invincible ignorance of how much continuity there is between Trump and American history.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 11:50am
One thing that drives me batty is the common discourse where liberal = left. This lazy binary thinking where not being conservative must mean being left. There's some overlap in cultural areas, where centrists have accepted a lot of leftist cultural liberation arguments, but when it comes to most every other area—trade, taxes, foreign policy—there's a fuck of a lot more daylight between liberal and left than liberal and conservative.
I feel that there is a fascistic element, for example, in the Rolling Stones . . .
— Morton Feldman
I've studied the phenomenon of neo-provincialism in self-isolating online communities but this place takes the fucking cake.
— Clashy
— Morton Feldman
I've studied the phenomenon of neo-provincialism in self-isolating online communities but this place takes the fucking cake.
— Clashy
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Very much symptomatic. Would the Facebook propaganda stuff have been more successful if American political culture hadn't been growing more coarse, more stupid over the past several decades? Would the Republican Party be resistant to investigations if both political parties' attitude towards public institutions hasn't become so contemptuous? Or the corporate media's preference for spectacle and outrage over reasoned discourse? The conservative fascination with fascist strongmen goes hand in hand with neoliberalism's contempt for democratic principles. It's very much mutually supportive.eumaas wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 12:45pmTo me the Russia stuff is just symptomatic of a worldwide trend towards fascism. I mean just look at Europe right now.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 12:43pmAnd yet one can embrace a systemic or ideological larger explanation while seeing that the Russia component is part of the more unique historical circumstance. You don't need Russia to understand this, but it doesn't make Russia irrelevant to explain some of the more particular or personal aspects. There are lots of things going on and depending on where you train your vision, something analyses are more valuable than others.eumaas wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 12:27pmI think the reason leftists downplay the Russia stuff is that Russia provides a handy excuse for people who prefer to see Trump as a foreign infection rather than a cancer (to use your metaphor).Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 12:17pmThe idea that Trump is the logical, if extreme, result of neoliberalism and erosion of the public sphere and not some aberration (rooted in personality, of course) is a numbing (read: frustrating) conversation I've had with various family members over the past eighteen months. It's like once the cancerous lung is removed, they can go back to smoking and everything will be fine.
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Bill Clinton rants about how shitty the politicians are with their divisive style over governing substance and the media in this terrible James Patterson book. It's like a man complaining about the smell in a lift as he continues to shit himself.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 12:52pmVery much symptomatic. Would the Facebook propaganda stuff have been more successful if American political culture hadn't been growing more coarse, more stupid over the past several decades? Would the Republican Party be resistant to investigations if both political parties' attitude towards public institutions hasn't become so contemptuous? Or the corporate media's preference for spectacle and outrage over reasoned discourse? The conservative fascination with fascist strongmen goes hand in hand with neoliberalism's contempt for democratic principles. It's very much mutually supportive.eumaas wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 12:45pmTo me the Russia stuff is just symptomatic of a worldwide trend towards fascism. I mean just look at Europe right now.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 12:43pmAnd yet one can embrace a systemic or ideological larger explanation while seeing that the Russia component is part of the more unique historical circumstance. You don't need Russia to understand this, but it doesn't make Russia irrelevant to explain some of the more particular or personal aspects. There are lots of things going on and depending on where you train your vision, something analyses are more valuable than others.eumaas wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 12:27pmI think the reason leftists downplay the Russia stuff is that Russia provides a handy excuse for people who prefer to see Trump as a foreign infection rather than a cancer (to use your metaphor).Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 12:17pm
The idea that Trump is the logical, if extreme, result of neoliberalism and erosion of the public sphere and not some aberration (rooted in personality, of course) is a numbing (read: frustrating) conversation I've had with various family members over the past eighteen months. It's like once the cancerous lung is removed, they can go back to smoking and everything will be fine.
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I wonder if one of the key distinctions between conservatives and liberals is that conservatives can actually admit to themselves that they're corrupt and despise the masses.Silent Majority wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 12:57pmBill Clinton rants about how shitty the politicians are with their divisive style over governing substance and the media in this terrible James Patterson book. It's like a man complaining about the smell in a lift as he continues to shit himself.
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Yeah, my dividing line amongst conservatives is: evil conman or misguided idiot?Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 12:59pmI wonder if one of the key distinctions between conservatives and liberals is that conservatives can actually admit to themselves that they're corrupt and despise the masses.Silent Majority wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 12:57pmBill Clinton rants about how shitty the politicians are with their divisive style over governing substance and the media in this terrible James Patterson book. It's like a man complaining about the smell in a lift as he continues to shit himself.
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Macron is a loathsome prick and admired by American liberals for some reason.
I feel that there is a fascistic element, for example, in the Rolling Stones . . .
— Morton Feldman
I've studied the phenomenon of neo-provincialism in self-isolating online communities but this place takes the fucking cake.
— Clashy
— Morton Feldman
I've studied the phenomenon of neo-provincialism in self-isolating online communities but this place takes the fucking cake.
— Clashy