That could have been on mine, too. Really, that half side of Permanent Record ranks up there with post-Clash Joe's best. Confident and skilled the whole way.Wolter wrote:I just updated mine. Forgot how much I love "Nothin' Bout Nothin"
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Yeah. I think of it as essentially a perfect little late 80s ep. Joe's solo equivalent of The Cost Of Living.Dr. Medulla wrote:That could have been on mine, too. Really, that half side of Permanent Record ranks up there with post-Clash Joe's best. Confident and skilled the whole way.Wolter wrote:I just updated mine. Forgot how much I love "Nothin' Bout Nothin"
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This Is BAD beats anything from Joe's whole solo career for me. Rightfully the best selling post-Clash album.matedog wrote:I enjoy it more than BAD.Wolter wrote:So, on Sunday I was listening to the CD mix of Wilderness Years songs I had in my car, and while that era was very disjointed and aimless, he really had a lot of solid material coming out in dribs and drabs. I wish he had a stronger willed collaborator willing to both encourage and push him in that period.
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This is BAD is a great album, but it is dated as fuck, and does not hold up well outside of the tiny niche that is Clash-diaspora fandom.Heston wrote:This Is BAD beats anything from Joe's whole solo career for me. Rightfully the best selling post-Clash album.matedog wrote:I enjoy it more than BAD.Wolter wrote:So, on Sunday I was listening to the CD mix of Wilderness Years songs I had in my car, and while that era was very disjointed and aimless, he really had a lot of solid material coming out in dribs and drabs. I wish he had a stronger willed collaborator willing to both encourage and push him in that period.
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For my money, both TIBad and No 10 are better than any single Joe album. But Joe also had a magnetism in persona and delivery that allowed him to maximize performances that Mick didn't.Heston wrote:This Is BAD beats anything from Joe's whole solo career for me. Rightfully the best selling post-Clash album.matedog wrote:I enjoy it more than BAD.Wolter wrote:So, on Sunday I was listening to the CD mix of Wilderness Years songs I had in my car, and while that era was very disjointed and aimless, he really had a lot of solid material coming out in dribs and drabs. I wish he had a stronger willed collaborator willing to both encourage and push him in that period.
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I'm just fine interacting with my old friends, thanks.msza2 wrote:That's all well and good, eumaas, but if you don't vote I'm putting you down aseumaas wrote:The brigades are nothing but war stories traded between old ghosts.Flex wrote:Is this the great cleave that un-united the GEERites?eumaas wrote:I'm with Wolter on IH and MB.
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Definitely agree with this. Joe didn't have the focus to make an entire album of well-arranged songs on his own, and Mick didn't have the vocalist charisma to carry an entire album on his own (but outside of Joe, never had a collaborator that picked up the slack).Dr. Medulla wrote:For my money, both TIBad and No 10 are better than any single Joe album. But Joe also had a magnetism in persona and delivery that allowed him to maximize performances that Mick didn't.Heston wrote:This Is BAD beats anything from Joe's whole solo career for me. Rightfully the best selling post-Clash album.matedog wrote:I enjoy it more than BAD.Wolter wrote:So, on Sunday I was listening to the CD mix of Wilderness Years songs I had in my car, and while that era was very disjointed and aimless, he really had a lot of solid material coming out in dribs and drabs. I wish he had a stronger willed collaborator willing to both encourage and push him in that period.
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Fair enough, but the songs themselves are streets ahead of Joe's.Wolter wrote:This is BAD is a great album, but it is dated as fuck, and does not hold up well outside of the tiny niche that is Clash-diaspora fandom.Heston wrote:This Is BAD beats anything from Joe's whole solo career for me. Rightfully the best selling post-Clash album.matedog wrote:I enjoy it more than BAD.Wolter wrote:So, on Sunday I was listening to the CD mix of Wilderness Years songs I had in my car, and while that era was very disjointed and aimless, he really had a lot of solid material coming out in dribs and drabs. I wish he had a stronger willed collaborator willing to both encourage and push him in that period.
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I'd agree on everything except Global a-Go-Go (though even that has a few mediocre ones near the end).Heston wrote:Fair enough, but the songs themselves are streets ahead of Joe's.Wolter wrote:This is BAD is a great album, but it is dated as fuck, and does not hold up well outside of the tiny niche that is Clash-diaspora fandom.Heston wrote:This Is BAD beats anything from Joe's whole solo career for me. Rightfully the best selling post-Clash album.matedog wrote:I enjoy it more than BAD.Wolter wrote:So, on Sunday I was listening to the CD mix of Wilderness Years songs I had in my car, and while that era was very disjointed and aimless, he really had a lot of solid material coming out in dribs and drabs. I wish he had a stronger willed collaborator willing to both encourage and push him in that period.
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It may sound as a backhanded compliment but isn't meant as such, but Mick's post-Clash success is all the more impressive because he really doesn't have that leading man quality. It's a bit easy to pick on Mick because of that, especially because he was initially living up to the Clash, meaning being compared to Joe, which is an unfair fight.Wolter wrote:Definitely agree with this. Joe didn't have the focus to make an entire album of well-arranged songs on his own, and Mick didn't have the vocalist charisma to carry an entire album on his own (but outside of Joe, never had a collaborator that picked up the slack).Dr. Medulla wrote:For my money, both TIBad and No 10 are better than any single Joe album. But Joe also had a magnetism in persona and delivery that allowed him to maximize performances that Mick didn't.Heston wrote:This Is BAD beats anything from Joe's whole solo career for me. Rightfully the best selling post-Clash album.matedog wrote:I enjoy it more than BAD.Wolter wrote:So, on Sunday I was listening to the CD mix of Wilderness Years songs I had in my car, and while that era was very disjointed and aimless, he really had a lot of solid material coming out in dribs and drabs. I wish he had a stronger willed collaborator willing to both encourage and push him in that period.
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Mick is definitely no Joe in the frontman stakes but I witnessed some great performances back in the Eighties. He was undoubtedly coked-up, but I appreciated that wired vibe he had, it suited the music.
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I actually think it's no slam at all. Mick has cobbled together a fairly good stretch as a frontman without it being a natural gift of his. Joe ran away from his natural charisma for a long time in the Wilderness years, and definitely accomplished far less during the period.
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Global is far and away the best post Clash album.
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We don't always agree, but when you're right, you're right.101Walterton wrote:Global is far and away the best post Clash album.
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