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The last time you heard CtC.
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That was more due to the group adopting an egalitarian attitude toward credits, though, wasn't it? I vaguely recall something about that from LGIT.Heston wrote: ↑14 Aug 2017, 8:31pmAccording to the Complete Clash song book (which breaks down the writing credits), he is on quite a bit of stuff from 1980 onward.Kory wrote: ↑14 Aug 2017, 4:18pmPaul has said a number of times that the basslines he came up with would invariably turned into reggae songs by the rest of the band, and that if he had more musical knowhow, he'd have directed them in a more rocking fashion. Now, this song was obviously meant to be a reggae song, so what songs is he talking about? Did he write the music to RAD? Are there other songs that Paul was instrumental in composing that we don't know about?Flex wrote: ↑14 Aug 2017, 3:51pmExtremely glad to see Inder is making my own case in this thread.
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Re: The last time you heard CtC.
No, the credits are split.into all kinds of combinations.Kory wrote: ↑14 Aug 2017, 11:07pmThat was more due to the group adopting an egalitarian attitude toward credits, though, wasn't it? I vaguely recall something about that from LGIT.Heston wrote: ↑14 Aug 2017, 8:31pmAccording to the Complete Clash song book (which breaks down the writing credits), he is on quite a bit of stuff from 1980 onward.Kory wrote: ↑14 Aug 2017, 4:18pmPaul has said a number of times that the basslines he came up with would invariably turned into reggae songs by the rest of the band, and that if he had more musical knowhow, he'd have directed them in a more rocking fashion. Now, this song was obviously meant to be a reggae song, so what songs is he talking about? Did he write the music to RAD? Are there other songs that Paul was instrumental in composing that we don't know about?
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Re: The last time you heard CtC.
Gotta look into this. Is it PDFed online anywhere?Heston wrote: ↑15 Aug 2017, 2:45amNo, the credits are split.into all kinds of combinations.Kory wrote: ↑14 Aug 2017, 11:07pmThat was more due to the group adopting an egalitarian attitude toward credits, though, wasn't it? I vaguely recall something about that from LGIT.Heston wrote: ↑14 Aug 2017, 8:31pmAccording to the Complete Clash song book (which breaks down the writing credits), he is on quite a bit of stuff from 1980 onward.Kory wrote: ↑14 Aug 2017, 4:18pmPaul has said a number of times that the basslines he came up with would invariably turned into reggae songs by the rest of the band, and that if he had more musical knowhow, he'd have directed them in a more rocking fashion. Now, this song was obviously meant to be a reggae song, so what songs is he talking about? Did he write the music to RAD? Are there other songs that Paul was instrumental in composing that we don't know about?
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Not sure. I've mislaid my copy but from memory...Mick has no credit on a few songs, Rebel Waltz included. Paul has a writing credit for Mag 7 but not Mag Dance. I can only surmise he helped out on the lyrics?Kory wrote: ↑15 Aug 2017, 1:12pmGotta look into this. Is it PDFed online anywhere?Heston wrote: ↑15 Aug 2017, 2:45amNo, the credits are split.into all kinds of combinations.Kory wrote: ↑14 Aug 2017, 11:07pmThat was more due to the group adopting an egalitarian attitude toward credits, though, wasn't it? I vaguely recall something about that from LGIT.Heston wrote: ↑14 Aug 2017, 8:31pmAccording to the Complete Clash song book (which breaks down the writing credits), he is on quite a bit of stuff from 1980 onward.Kory wrote: ↑14 Aug 2017, 4:18pm
Paul has said a number of times that the basslines he came up with would invariably turned into reggae songs by the rest of the band, and that if he had more musical knowhow, he'd have directed them in a more rocking fashion. Now, this song was obviously meant to be a reggae song, so what songs is he talking about? Did he write the music to RAD? Are there other songs that Paul was instrumental in composing that we don't know about?
The credits have to be legit, there is too many combinations. I think the collective "The Clash" credit was used for purposes of the sleeve but the publishing would have been divvied out according the credits.
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Re: The last time you heard CtC.
There's some info on ASCAP.Heston wrote: ↑15 Aug 2017, 6:43pmNot sure. I've mislaid my copy but from memory...Mick has no credit on a few songs, Rebel Waltz included. Paul has a writing credit for Mag 7 but not Mag Dance. I can only surmise he helped out on the lyrics?Kory wrote: ↑15 Aug 2017, 1:12pmGotta look into this. Is it PDFed online anywhere?
The credits have to be legit, there is too many combinations. I think the collective "The Clash" credit was used for purposes of the sleeve but the publishing would have been divvied out according the credits.
EDIT: That's weird, it used to show many more songs. You might have to search again.
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No way did Joe work out the opening guitar run of Rebel Waltz; his guitar playing was about passion, not expertise. That's pure Mick and is a huge chunk of the song. The chords are within Joe's composing wheelhouse and the tune, while majestic, isn't as hook-y as Mick would do. So, of course, the lyrics are pure Strummer and the evidence points to the melody coming from the black stratocaster, but a good 30ish% of the the runtime is Mick atmospherically noodling out the clean echoes of ascending and descending notes. So I reckon Jones should have got some of the credit.
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Publishing rules are usually top line melody (vocal melody) and lyrics.Silent Majority wrote: ↑15 Aug 2017, 7:00pmNo way did Joe work out the opening guitar run of Rebel Waltz; his guitar playing was about passion, not expertise. That's pure Mick and is a huge chunk of the song. The chords are within Joe's composing wheelhouse and the tune, while majestic, isn't as hook-y as Mick would do. So, of course, the lyrics are pure Strummer and the evidence points to the melody coming from the black stratocaster, but a good 30ish% of the the runtime is Mick atmospherically noodling out the clean echoes of ascending and descending notes. So I reckon Jones should have got some of the credit.
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Re: The last time you heard CtC.
Yes, it's a little unfair. Ray Davies is a master for Waterloo Sunset, but the song would be less great without the sha-la-las, as contributed by one of the non-Dave bandmembers.Heston wrote: ↑15 Aug 2017, 7:05pmPublishing rules are usually top line melody (vocal melody) and lyrics.Silent Majority wrote: ↑15 Aug 2017, 7:00pmNo way did Joe work out the opening guitar run of Rebel Waltz; his guitar playing was about passion, not expertise. That's pure Mick and is a huge chunk of the song. The chords are within Joe's composing wheelhouse and the tune, while majestic, isn't as hook-y as Mick would do. So, of course, the lyrics are pure Strummer and the evidence points to the melody coming from the black stratocaster, but a good 30ish% of the the runtime is Mick atmospherically noodling out the clean echoes of ascending and descending notes. So I reckon Jones should have got some of the credit.
Re: The last time you heard CtC.
So if that's the case, then it wouldn't shed much light on my curiosity about the basslines. Why can't the world care more about DCT?Heston wrote: ↑15 Aug 2017, 7:05pmPublishing rules are usually top line melody (vocal melody) and lyrics.Silent Majority wrote: ↑15 Aug 2017, 7:00pmNo way did Joe work out the opening guitar run of Rebel Waltz; his guitar playing was about passion, not expertise. That's pure Mick and is a huge chunk of the song. The chords are within Joe's composing wheelhouse and the tune, while majestic, isn't as hook-y as Mick would do. So, of course, the lyrics are pure Strummer and the evidence points to the melody coming from the black stratocaster, but a good 30ish% of the the runtime is Mick atmospherically noodling out the clean echoes of ascending and descending notes. So I reckon Jones should have got some of the credit.
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This is why Andy Summers gets no songwriting royalties for "I'll Be Missing You", even though his guitar line (which he wrote) is sampled throughout the song. And Sting makes millions from it.Silent Majority wrote: ↑15 Aug 2017, 7:08pmYes, it's a little unfair. Ray Davies is a master for Waterloo Sunset, but the song would be less great without the sha-la-las, as contributed by one of the non-Dave bandmembers.Heston wrote: ↑15 Aug 2017, 7:05pmPublishing rules are usually top line melody (vocal melody) and lyrics.Silent Majority wrote: ↑15 Aug 2017, 7:00pmNo way did Joe work out the opening guitar run of Rebel Waltz; his guitar playing was about passion, not expertise. That's pure Mick and is a huge chunk of the song. The chords are within Joe's composing wheelhouse and the tune, while majestic, isn't as hook-y as Mick would do. So, of course, the lyrics are pure Strummer and the evidence points to the melody coming from the black stratocaster, but a good 30ish% of the the runtime is Mick atmospherically noodling out the clean echoes of ascending and descending notes. So I reckon Jones should have got some of the credit.
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There's your answer, fishbulb.
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