Good spot.TeddyB Not Logged In wrote: ↑30 Aug 2017, 9:01pmMick is tending these days toward the "we didn't know how to deal with success" idea. Not just personally, but in terms of the band's purpose and context. I reminded him that Joe himself said they were musicians and not politicians. I agree that Mick's radar in terms of the multi-cultural aspects was on target (though some would say cultural appropriation), but if Joe wasn't feeling it, well, that's an issue. On the other hand, Joe couldn't relate to the Oi kids either, so that was inane. John Lydon would say he couldn't really relate to the kids in '76 either!
Don't talk shop... fingerpop! What in the bloody hell?
"The Bottom Line" made much more sense, but in a way it might have made the most sense as their farewell?
Or a new begininng.
Edit: Just noticing that Life is Wild sounds a bit like U.S. North...
Preferred Cut the Crap tracklisting
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Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
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Very good! At least you can't say he didn't subsequently make up for itMarky Dread wrote: ↑30 Aug 2017, 9:04pmI remember Joe with that "I May Take A Holiday" sprayed on his guitar. If only Joe if only.Low Down Low wrote: ↑30 Aug 2017, 8:57pmAh yeah, I stand corrected on that. Its not much of a break in fairness. I think you have a point alright, but everything with the Clash had to be so frenetic and overblown, didn't it? Let's release a double album, no make it a triple. Let's release a single every month for the next year. Let's see how many time zones we can cross on the next grand tour etc etc. No off button, as you say.Marky Dread wrote: ↑30 Aug 2017, 8:41pmUm well Joe was only missing for 3 weeks in '82 on the advice of Bernie because allegedly ticket sales were low. It was a publicity stunt by Bernie that Joe decided to abuse by instead of going to Austin, Texas to visit Joe Ely as Bernie had suggested he went Paris and ran the marathon. If the band had of taken a 6 month break then reconvened then who knows.Low Down Low wrote: ↑30 Aug 2017, 8:18pmTend towards the they'd run their course suggestion myself, though we'll never know for sure. You say they'd no off button Marky and I often felt that myself, but then I'm reminded that Joe had a 6 month break at least when he went AWOL and ran the Paris marathon, but what fat lot of good did that do? I think he was just mired in a creative slump in 84/85, angry and bitter about lots of things in ways that were anything but conducive to creating good art. And there are a lot of words that come to mind regarding WATC, brave is most definitely not one of them.Marky Dread wrote: ↑30 Aug 2017, 5:39pm
I don't mind the music for "We Are The Clash" but those lyrics are cringeworthy. I don't believe they had run their course I just think they had no off button. If they were able to say stop let's take a back seat here and reassess our situation. There was plenty of mileage left in The Clash and Joe should of been braver with Mick's new ideas and pushed the band onto new horizon's. They were no longer a punk band musically and hadn't been since GEER in my opinion they had extended their sound and that's what made them great. Tried and tested punk rock formula was old and becoming cliched and boring. The back to basic's approach was great for the busking tour but beyond that where were they going to go. I think Bernie at least realised this and tried to make them sound more modern more cutting edge and ended up really cutting the crap.
I'll never pass up the opportunity to defend Earthquake Weather, though. It's not great but it's Joe finding, very tentatively, a voice again. It's a good indicator of the way he has to go, an important first step towards the masterpiece that will be Global a go go. To my mind anyway. Its got the attitude and the ideas, just lacks the execution and the right people around him. In time, all of that will gloriously come together.
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Well, I was going to weigh in, but daredevil's tracklist works fine for me. Though, not forgetting the inevitable 12-inch, I'd suggest:Side 1
1. This Is England
2. Jericho
3. Are You Red..y
4. National Powder
5. Cool Under Heat
Side 2
1. Three Card Trick
2. In the Pouring Rain
3. North and South
4. Movers and Shakers
5. Life Is Wild
Do It Now/Sex Mad Roar/Galleani (for the flip -- another cool song that should have seen the light of day).
6 month break? I'd say, closer to two months, coming between the wrap-up of the Far East tour, and the Lochem Fest in mid-May.Tend towards the they'd run their course suggestion myself, though we'll never know for sure. You say they'd no off button Marky and I often felt that myself, but then I'm reminded that Joe had a 6 month break at least when he went AWOL and ran the Paris marathon, but what fat lot of good did that do?.
Mark and I explore all these issues in our book, so I don't wanna say too much here, but ...
...I'd add one other caveat, which is that the band more or less sat out 1983 -- the US Festival and its warm-up mini-tour excepted -- so they definitely did that the extended holiday that they'd been craving for awhile, one that the initial mission of striving for success didn't necessarily allow.
However, by then, the extended down time didn't help, because internal relations had soured past the point of any time off working wonders for Clash morale (such as it was) -- especially since the famed Strummer-Jones creative partnership was no longer functioning as it had done in the past. Which is hardly the first time that's happened in a big deal group (quote-unquote), and certainly not the last.
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“1st MAY TAKE A HOLIDAY” as in May Day.Low Down Low wrote: ↑30 Aug 2017, 9:43pmVery good! At least you can't say he didn't subsequently make up for itMarky Dread wrote: ↑30 Aug 2017, 9:04pmI remember Joe with that "I May Take A Holiday" sprayed on his guitar. If only Joe if only.Low Down Low wrote: ↑30 Aug 2017, 8:57pmAh yeah, I stand corrected on that. Its not much of a break in fairness. I think you have a point alright, but everything with the Clash had to be so frenetic and overblown, didn't it? Let's release a double album, no make it a triple. Let's release a single every month for the next year. Let's see how many time zones we can cross on the next grand tour etc etc. No off button, as you say.Marky Dread wrote: ↑30 Aug 2017, 8:41pmUm well Joe was only missing for 3 weeks in '82 on the advice of Bernie because allegedly ticket sales were low. It was a publicity stunt by Bernie that Joe decided to abuse by instead of going to Austin, Texas to visit Joe Ely as Bernie had suggested he went Paris and ran the marathon. If the band had of taken a 6 month break then reconvened then who knows.Low Down Low wrote: ↑30 Aug 2017, 8:18pm
Tend towards the they'd run their course suggestion myself, though we'll never know for sure. You say they'd no off button Marky and I often felt that myself, but then I'm reminded that Joe had a 6 month break at least when he went AWOL and ran the Paris marathon, but what fat lot of good did that do? I think he was just mired in a creative slump in 84/85, angry and bitter about lots of things in ways that were anything but conducive to creating good art. And there are a lot of words that come to mind regarding WATC, brave is most definitely not one of them.
I'll never pass up the opportunity to defend Earthquake Weather, though. It's not great but it's Joe finding, very tentatively, a voice again. It's a good indicator of the way he has to go, an important first step towards the masterpiece that will be Global a go go. To my mind anyway. Its got the attitude and the ideas, just lacks the execution and the right people around him. In time, all of that will gloriously come together.