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Agreed, and the song lengths come under production too. A good producer would have knocked a minute off some of the songs. Last Gang In Town and All the Young Punks spring to mind.Marky Dread wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 10:46amThe production on GEER is terrific but the mix is a let down.matedog wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 10:15amI think the GEER production is pretty sharp.Heston wrote: ↑26 Mar 2018, 6:45pmJust gave EW a spin, lovely crisp remastering job Marky. The guitars seem punchier, and like Maj says, Sleepwalk is definitely the biggest improvement.
Shame most of the songs still disappoint all these years later, and the buried vocals render the few successes nearly unsalvageable. Why the hell did the Clash, Joe and Mick seem to have so many production/mixing problems throughout their collective career? I think only London Calling, Megatop Phoenix and Global are albums that you can say are unequivocally well produced and mixed from their whole oeuvre. I sometimes fantasize about the Clash's whole output recorded with the CoL EP/London Calling production.
Anyway, another great job Marky, looking forward to you hopefully getting back into the saddle with more remastering jobs.
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Agree with the fine production but odd mix. Disagree that Last Gang and Young Punks are too long; those leads are pure guitar heaven for me, they really sing - like Richards, Ronson & Thunders all wrapped into one cat. They'd never be so guitar-cenrtric again. And as they showed later, they loved to jam. But seldom on straight up major key, barre chord anthems. So you get Joe jamming on the vocals & lyrics and Mick jamming on the six string. What's not to love? And anyway, we'd all crave the full album mixes if they'd been cut down by Pearlman for the album (i.e. Rat Patrol mixes edited by Johns).Heston wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 12:15pmAgreed, and the song lengths come under production too. A good producer would have knocked a minute off some of the songs. Last Gang In Town and All the Young Punks spring to mind.Marky Dread wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 10:46amThe production on GEER is terrific but the mix is a let down.matedog wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 10:15amI think the GEER production is pretty sharp.Heston wrote: ↑26 Mar 2018, 6:45pmJust gave EW a spin, lovely crisp remastering job Marky. The guitars seem punchier, and like Maj says, Sleepwalk is definitely the biggest improvement.
Shame most of the songs still disappoint all these years later, and the buried vocals render the few successes nearly unsalvageable. Why the hell did the Clash, Joe and Mick seem to have so many production/mixing problems throughout their collective career? I think only London Calling, Megatop Phoenix and Global are albums that you can say are unequivocally well produced and mixed from their whole oeuvre. I sometimes fantasize about the Clash's whole output recorded with the CoL EP/London Calling production.
Anyway, another great job Marky, looking forward to you hopefully getting back into the saddle with more remastering jobs.
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It's not so much the long lead sections as the overlong song structures. Why does All the Young Punks have a double chorus every time? Also drops down into a build up before every verse when it could have benefited from a leaner arrangement. Last Gang is a similar story, keeps doing that build up thing before every verse when it could have kicked straight on after a chorus. I know these are minor quibbles but I don't want really want a punk album with 5 minute songs. Cheapskates and Drug Stabbin' time are a bit bloated too.muppet hi fi wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 6:44pmAgree with the fine production but odd mix. Disagree that Last Gang and Young Punks are too long; those leads are pure guitar heaven for me, they really sing - like Richards, Ronson & Thunders all wrapped into one cat. They'd never be so guitar-cenrtric again. And as they showed later, they loved to jam. But seldom on straight up major key, barre chord anthems. So you get Joe jamming on the vocals & lyrics and Mick jamming on the six string. What's not to love? And anyway, we'd all crave the full album mixes if they'd been cut down by Pearlman for the album (i.e. Rat Patrol mixes edited by Johns).Heston wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 12:15pmAgreed, and the song lengths come under production too. A good producer would have knocked a minute off some of the songs. Last Gang In Town and All the Young Punks spring to mind.Marky Dread wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 10:46amThe production on GEER is terrific but the mix is a let down.matedog wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 10:15amI think the GEER production is pretty sharp.Heston wrote: ↑26 Mar 2018, 6:45pmJust gave EW a spin, lovely crisp remastering job Marky. The guitars seem punchier, and like Maj says, Sleepwalk is definitely the biggest improvement.
Shame most of the songs still disappoint all these years later, and the buried vocals render the few successes nearly unsalvageable. Why the hell did the Clash, Joe and Mick seem to have so many production/mixing problems throughout their collective career? I think only London Calling, Megatop Phoenix and Global are albums that you can say are unequivocally well produced and mixed from their whole oeuvre. I sometimes fantasize about the Clash's whole output recorded with the CoL EP/London Calling production.
Anyway, another great job Marky, looking forward to you hopefully getting back into the saddle with more remastering jobs.
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Well, Cheapskates and Drug Stabbing are lesser songs for me, but I take your point on Punks and Last Gang, though I still disagree. Hell, I got GEER when it was released and it astonished me how good these guys were, how they could arrange songs in the "classic" tradition of the Stones and Bowie etc. Maybe I was never a proper "punk rocker" all along.Heston wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 6:54pmIt's not so much the long lead sections as the overlong song structures. Why does All the Young Punks have a double chorus every time? Also drops down into a build up before every verse when it could have benefited from a leaner arrangement. Last Gang is a similar story, keeps doing that build up thing before every verse when it could have kicked straight on after a chorus. I know these are minor quibbles but I don't want really want a punk album with 5 minute songs. Cheapskates and Drug Stabbin' time are a bit bloated too.muppet hi fi wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 6:44pmAgree with the fine production but odd mix. Disagree that Last Gang and Young Punks are too long; those leads are pure guitar heaven for me, they really sing - like Richards, Ronson & Thunders all wrapped into one cat. They'd never be so guitar-cenrtric again. And as they showed later, they loved to jam. But seldom on straight up major key, barre chord anthems. So you get Joe jamming on the vocals & lyrics and Mick jamming on the six string. What's not to love? And anyway, we'd all crave the full album mixes if they'd been cut down by Pearlman for the album (i.e. Rat Patrol mixes edited by Johns).Heston wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 12:15pmAgreed, and the song lengths come under production too. A good producer would have knocked a minute off some of the songs. Last Gang In Town and All the Young Punks spring to mind.Marky Dread wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 10:46amThe production on GEER is terrific but the mix is a let down.
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I'll never get why Cheapskates is considered a lesser Clash number. One of my all-time fave vocals.
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Don't get me wrong, I fucking love it. I just stand by my statement about most Clash-related albums having production issues.muppet hi fi wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 7:00pmWell, Cheapskates and Drug Stabbing are lesser songs for me, but I take your point on Punks and Last Gang, though I still disagree. Hell, I got GEER when it was released and it astonished me how good these guys were, how they could arrange songs in the "classic" tradition of the Stones and Bowie etc. Maybe I was never a proper "punk rocker" all along.Heston wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 6:54pmIt's not so much the long lead sections as the overlong song structures. Why does All the Young Punks have a double chorus every time? Also drops down into a build up before every verse when it could have benefited from a leaner arrangement. Last Gang is a similar story, keeps doing that build up thing before every verse when it could have kicked straight on after a chorus. I know these are minor quibbles but I don't want really want a punk album with 5 minute songs. Cheapskates and Drug Stabbin' time are a bit bloated too.muppet hi fi wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 6:44pmAgree with the fine production but odd mix. Disagree that Last Gang and Young Punks are too long; those leads are pure guitar heaven for me, they really sing - like Richards, Ronson & Thunders all wrapped into one cat. They'd never be so guitar-cenrtric again. And as they showed later, they loved to jam. But seldom on straight up major key, barre chord anthems. So you get Joe jamming on the vocals & lyrics and Mick jamming on the six string. What's not to love? And anyway, we'd all crave the full album mixes if they'd been cut down by Pearlman for the album (i.e. Rat Patrol mixes edited by Johns).Heston wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 12:15pmAgreed, and the song lengths come under production too. A good producer would have knocked a minute off some of the songs. Last Gang In Town and All the Young Punks spring to mind.Marky Dread wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 10:46am
The production on GEER is terrific but the mix is a let down.
I was never big on punk either, cream of the crop only, most of it wasn't for me.
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Maybe because it's like getting beaten with a "slab of hate" as someone once said.
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You say that like it's a negative.
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Cheapskates is one of those songs that has great lyrics but the tune is a bit leaden. I like the chorus but it seems to miss Mick's usual melodic touch in parts.
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Oh it's got a great vocal for sure, I just think the melody and progression are a bit busy. What did Marcus Grey call much of GEER's themes - "Mott the Hoople Syndrome"? I do agree with him on some of those 1978 lyrical concerns, but it could have been worse: Pete Townshend Syndrome. I still love Cheapskates, just a lesser song on what's maybe my fave Clash album. (if I had to chose just one. I'm such a fan-boy).
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Not to take anything away from Marky in a thread about his remasters - as they're still basically the definitive versions of everything under the Clash name - but for anyone looking for GEER on vinyl the Drastic Plastic reissue ismuppet hi fi wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 8:10pmOh it's got a great vocal for sure, I just think the melody and progression are a bit busy. What did Marcus Grey call much of GEER's themes - "Mott the Hoople Syndrome"? I do agree with him on some of those 1978 lyrical concerns, but it could have been worse: Pete Townshend Syndrome. I still love Cheapskates, just a lesser song on what's maybe my fave Clash album.
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a bowl of soup
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a rolling hoop
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a ton of lead
Wiggle - you can raise the dead
Pex Lives!
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Oh mate, I love Marky's remaster of GEER, and the fact that he used the early CBS versions as his template rather than the 1999 or 'Sound System' masters is even more impressive. But unless I win the lottery or something, I'm done with vinyl. There's only so much new or improved sound you can get out of an old recording, and I think it was done on SS and Marky's fairy-dust approach.Flex wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 8:14pmNot to take anything away from Marky in a thread about his remasters - as they're still basically the definitive versions of everything under the Clash name - but for anyone looking for GEER on vinyl the Drastic Plastic reissue ismuppet hi fi wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 8:10pmOh it's got a great vocal for sure, I just think the melody and progression are a bit busy. What did Marcus Grey call much of GEER's themes - "Mott the Hoople Syndrome"? I do agree with him on some of those 1978 lyrical concerns, but it could have been worse: Pete Townshend Syndrome. I still love Cheapskates, just a lesser song on what's maybe my fave Clash album.
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If anything GEER needed unmastering. You could only take away, not add.
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