Yes it has the feel of a protest song because it was just that with the Anti draft record label. I love the line "there is a rose that I want to live for, although god knows I may not have met her". It is really optimistic amongst the gloom of the track. I like that marine chant and think it really helps build up the track.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 8:52pmWhile I'm not keen on the "Hup-2-3-4" lyric—it's a bit too easy in its mocking—there's something very haunting about "Fifty-five minutes past eleven." Is it resignation or warning? Joe's delivery sounds more the former, but this was also a period when the nuclear disarmament movement regained some momentum with Reagan's (impending) election. Either way, there's an immediacy there, that this—the song, the subject—matters. It was, in its own way, a very 1960s kind of song.
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I love that last verse, its at that point that The Call Up goes from being a very good song to a sublime one I think. There's a lovely sense of wistfulness in Joe's delivery that suits the theme of the song and creates the perfect mood. Agree with the 60s take, there's a kind of nostalgia vibe to it, even though it's dealing with present fears. I think Joe was great at setting moods in songs like that, the same with the likes of Broadway and Corner Soul.Marky Dread wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 8:57pmYes it has the feel of a protest song because it was just that with the Anti draft record label. I love the line "there is a rose that I want to live for, although god knows I may not have met her". It is really optimistic amongst the gloom of the track. I like that marine chant and think it really helps build up the track.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 8:52pmWhile I'm not keen on the "Hup-2-3-4" lyric—it's a bit too easy in its mocking—there's something very haunting about "Fifty-five minutes past eleven." Is it resignation or warning? Joe's delivery sounds more the former, but this was also a period when the nuclear disarmament movement regained some momentum with Reagan's (impending) election. Either way, there's an immediacy there, that this—the song, the subject—matters. It was, in its own way, a very 1960s kind of song.
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I always said Joe was better than Jona Lewis!!!
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Kilburn and the High Roads also had a song called The Call Up.
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I like this track even it's a bit repetitive and the vid is not there best
I red an itw of Joe from 1984 that track was not "really a track" (remember what was his spirit in 1984)
it was just scratch ideas and the rythm guitar was play by a friend of him who came by the studio
at the end Mick made his thing and voilà
So the 1984's Joe was not happy at all about this track
So that strange that it became a single with a promo video (??)
I red an itw of Joe from 1984 that track was not "really a track" (remember what was his spirit in 1984)
it was just scratch ideas and the rythm guitar was play by a friend of him who came by the studio
at the end Mick made his thing and voilà
So the 1984's Joe was not happy at all about this track
So that strange that it became a single with a promo video (??)
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I've always like the song - if anything - just for the vibe. It kind of has this menacing roll to the music and I like the way Joe sings it. Definitely agree on the last verse. Mood of the song - I think - goes well with the time in which it was recorded and released. I look at it more than just an anti-draft song - because there was not a draft in the UK or the US by 1980. I hear it more as an anti-militarism song: a call to stand up against the saber rattling of leaders like Thatcher, Reagan, Brezhnev and more. When I think of it that way - the song becomes really kind of powerful - set against that almost druggy groove they put down. Joe sounds weary, but defiant. Not sure if it made sense as the lead single for the LP - but then again, did much make "sense" about S!?Low Down Low wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 9:36pmI love that last verse, its at that point that The Call Up goes from being a very good song to a sublime one I think. There's a lovely sense of wistfulness in Joe's delivery that suits the theme of the song and creates the perfect mood. Agree with the 60s take, there's a kind of nostalgia vibe to it, even though it's dealing with present fears. I think Joe was great at setting moods in songs like that, the same with the likes of Broadway and Corner Soul.Marky Dread wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 8:57pmYes it has the feel of a protest song because it was just that with the Anti draft record label. I love the line "there is a rose that I want to live for, although god knows I may not have met her". It is really optimistic amongst the gloom of the track. I like that marine chant and think it really helps build up the track.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 8:52pmWhile I'm not keen on the "Hup-2-3-4" lyric—it's a bit too easy in its mocking—there's something very haunting about "Fifty-five minutes past eleven." Is it resignation or warning? Joe's delivery sounds more the former, but this was also a period when the nuclear disarmament movement regained some momentum with Reagan's (impending) election. Either way, there's an immediacy there, that this—the song, the subject—matters. It was, in its own way, a very 1960s kind of song.
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I’d suggest the repetitive was intentional to capture the military / marching vibe?bazarboy75 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2017, 2:08pmI like this track even it's a bit repetitive and the vid is not there best
I red an itw of Joe from 1984 that track was not "really a track" (remember what was his spirit in 1984)
it was just scratch ideas and the rythm guitar was play by a friend of him who came by the studio
at the end Mick made his thing and voilà
So the 1984's Joe was not happy at all about this track
So that strange that it became a single with a promo video (??)
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I think you’re right about that. I think it is supposed to have that marching vibe. Just listened to SS version and there are some very interesting sonic details right below the surface. A really interesting and maybe overlooked track.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Nov 2017, 2:29pmI’d suggest the repetitive was intentional to capture the military / marching vibe?bazarboy75 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2017, 2:08pmI like this track even it's a bit repetitive and the vid is not there best
I red an itw of Joe from 1984 that track was not "really a track" (remember what was his spirit in 1984)
it was just scratch ideas and the rythm guitar was play by a friend of him who came by the studio
at the end Mick made his thing and voilà
So the 1984's Joe was not happy at all about this track
So that strange that it became a single with a promo video (??)
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About the repetitive stuff "in 1mn everything is say" if you see what i mean
I agree about the "sonic detail" you mentionned and i think that the Mick Jones magic touch here
Thx to him
I've got that maxi with tirc+radio clash+the call up+the cool out and i remembered listened to the call up with headphone and clearly hear Mick Jones voice during a chorus like i never hear him before
afther say that i'm not against repetitive music and i think the cool out is a great track
I agree about the "sonic detail" you mentionned and i think that the Mick Jones magic touch here
Thx to him
I've got that maxi with tirc+radio clash+the call up+the cool out and i remembered listened to the call up with headphone and clearly hear Mick Jones voice during a chorus like i never hear him before
afther say that i'm not against repetitive music and i think the cool out is a great track
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Yeah I agree this is what I'm saying further up the thread.bazarboy75 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2017, 4:24pmAbout the repetitive stuff "in 1mn everything is say" if you see what i mean
I agree about the "sonic detail" you mentionned and i think that the Mick Jones magic touch here
Thx to him
I've got that maxi with tirc+radio clash+the call up+the cool out and i remembered listened to the call up with headphone and clearly hear during a chorus like i never hear him before
afther say that i'm not against repetitive music and i think the cool out is a great track
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Ivan Julian out of the Voidoids wasn’t it?bazarboy75 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2017, 2:08pmI like this track even it's a bit repetitive and the vid is not there best
I red an itw of Joe from 1984 that track was not "really a track" (remember what was his spirit in 1984)
it was just scratch ideas and the rythm guitar was play by a friend of him who came by the studio
at the end Mick made his thing and voilà
So the 1984's Joe was not happy at all about this track
So that strange that it became a single with a promo video (??)
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Yes it was. Don't think he was credited though.TeddyB Not Logged In wrote: ↑22 Nov 2017, 7:05pmIvan Julian out of the Voidoids wasn’t it?bazarboy75 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2017, 2:08pmI like this track even it's a bit repetitive and the vid is not there best
I red an itw of Joe from 1984 that track was not "really a track" (remember what was his spirit in 1984)
it was just scratch ideas and the rythm guitar was play by a friend of him who came by the studio
at the end Mick made his thing and voilà
So the 1984's Joe was not happy at all about this track
So that strange that it became a single with a promo video (??)
Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
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I thought he got a mention in pamphlet that came with the album, couldn't be sure though.Marky Dread wrote: ↑22 Nov 2017, 7:12pmYes it was. Don't think he was credited though.TeddyB Not Logged In wrote: ↑22 Nov 2017, 7:05pmIvan Julian out of the Voidoids wasn’t it?bazarboy75 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2017, 2:08pmI like this track even it's a bit repetitive and the vid is not there best
I red an itw of Joe from 1984 that track was not "really a track" (remember what was his spirit in 1984)
it was just scratch ideas and the rythm guitar was play by a friend of him who came by the studio
at the end Mick made his thing and voilà
So the 1984's Joe was not happy at all about this track
So that strange that it became a single with a promo video (??)
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board
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Yes you are correct mate. Ivan is listed on the fold out lyric sheet under 'guest musicians'. However it does not tell you what he played on. I think it's The Call Up and Ivan Meets G.I. Joe.Heston wrote: ↑22 Nov 2017, 7:26pmI thought he got a mention in pamphlet that came with the album, couldn't be sure though.Marky Dread wrote: ↑22 Nov 2017, 7:12pmYes it was. Don't think he was credited though.TeddyB Not Logged In wrote: ↑22 Nov 2017, 7:05pmIvan Julian out of the Voidoids wasn’t it?bazarboy75 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2017, 2:08pmI like this track even it's a bit repetitive and the vid is not there best
I red an itw of Joe from 1984 that track was not "really a track" (remember what was his spirit in 1984)
it was just scratch ideas and the rythm guitar was play by a friend of him who came by the studio
at the end Mick made his thing and voilà
So the 1984's Joe was not happy at all about this track
So that strange that it became a single with a promo video (??)
Not really sure how much of his guitar work can be heard in the mix tho'.
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Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
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Not having the dead vocals and lazy same melody throughout vocals helps Cool Out as well.Marky Dread wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 8:32pmThat is an easy answer. Just listen to the remix The Cool Out and that shows you just how powerful the track could have sounded . The single sounds flat.Low Down Low wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 8:22pmOut of curiosity marky, what would you like to see different about it? Personally I cant think of any other way I'd want to hear it, but maybe that's just because I'm so used to it the way it is.Marky Dread wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 5:53pmI love The Call Up it's a great track. Just needs a different mix.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.