The Clash observations thread.

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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by matedog » 08 Feb 2019, 7:24pm

Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 7:11pm
WestwayKid wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 6:52pm
Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 6:31pm
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08 Feb 2019, 6:27pm
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08 Feb 2019, 6:00pm


I think you're right. It sure looks like him.
Yeah it’s him alright....I’m 90% convinced now and that’s close to how certain i can be about anything these mental days and that includes night and day!

Must say i have a real soft spot for bankrobber, particularly the epic the meskies made out of it, but not least because of the fun the band seem to be having in that video. They still seem so together, a group, happy in their skin and making great songs. And....within a year pretty much turned to shit or at least heading that way. Ah, well...
I love Bankrobber it's a fantastic track. I've always been stunned that the record label wouldn't release it the UK and it had to chart on import initially.
It's a fantastic track. I've always loved Joe's vocal on that one. I was just looking at the Wikipedia page (for what it's worth) for the track and the musical credits are interesting. Mick's sole contribution is listed as sound effects. Joe's credited for guitars (and piano).
Mick plays bottleneck guitar on that one.
I know he played slide on that early ska live version, but the actual studio cut? Hes, you got any input on this as you are the most technically adept at guit?
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by Low Down Low » 08 Feb 2019, 7:54pm

matedog wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 7:24pm
Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 7:11pm
WestwayKid wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 6:52pm
Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 6:31pm
Low Down Low wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 6:27pm


Yeah it’s him alright....I’m 90% convinced now and that’s close to how certain i can be about anything these mental days and that includes night and day!

Must say i have a real soft spot for bankrobber, particularly the epic the meskies made out of it, but not least because of the fun the band seem to be having in that video. They still seem so together, a group, happy in their skin and making great songs. And....within a year pretty much turned to shit or at least heading that way. Ah, well...
I love Bankrobber it's a fantastic track. I've always been stunned that the record label wouldn't release it the UK and it had to chart on import initially.
It's a fantastic track. I've always loved Joe's vocal on that one. I was just looking at the Wikipedia page (for what it's worth) for the track and the musical credits are interesting. Mick's sole contribution is listed as sound effects. Joe's credited for guitars (and piano).
Mick plays bottleneck guitar on that one.
I know he played slide on that early ska live version, but the actual studio cut? Hes, you got any input on this as you are the most technically adept at guit?
That the Kampuchea one? Really love that uptempo version. I don’t hear Mick on the studio track personally but I have cloth ears for lugs both sides!

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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by Marky Dread » 08 Feb 2019, 7:58pm

That picture cover is John McVicar a British journalist and convicted one-time armed robber who escaped from prison in the 1960s.
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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by 101Walterton » 08 Feb 2019, 8:05pm

Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 7:58pm
That picture cover is John McVicar a British journalist and convicted one-time armed robber who escaped from prison in the 1960s.
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Really? I never knew that.

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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by Marky Dread » 08 Feb 2019, 8:07pm

101Walterton wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 8:05pm
Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 7:58pm
That picture cover is John McVicar a British journalist and convicted one-time armed robber who escaped from prison in the 1960s.
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Really? I never knew that.
Yep the one and the same who scripted his own film where Roger Daltrey played the lead role.
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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by 101Walterton » 08 Feb 2019, 8:12pm

Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 8:07pm
101Walterton wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 8:05pm
Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 7:58pm
That picture cover is John McVicar a British journalist and convicted one-time armed robber who escaped from prison in the 1960s.
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Really? I never knew that.
Yep the one and the same who scripted his own film where Roger Daltrey played the lead role.
Yep I know him (not personally) he became a criminologist.

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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by Marky Dread » 08 Feb 2019, 8:14pm

101Walterton wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 8:12pm
Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 8:07pm
101Walterton wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 8:05pm
Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 7:58pm
That picture cover is John McVicar a British journalist and convicted one-time armed robber who escaped from prison in the 1960s.
Image
Image
Really? I never knew that.
Yep the one and the same who scripted his own film where Roger Daltrey played the lead role.
Yep I know him (not personally) he became a criminologist.
He wrote two books on the murder of Jill Dando.
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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by Marky Dread » 08 Feb 2019, 8:16pm

Low Down Low wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 7:54pm
matedog wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 7:24pm
Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 7:11pm
WestwayKid wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 6:52pm
Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 6:31pm


I love Bankrobber it's a fantastic track. I've always been stunned that the record label wouldn't release it the UK and it had to chart on import initially.
It's a fantastic track. I've always loved Joe's vocal on that one. I was just looking at the Wikipedia page (for what it's worth) for the track and the musical credits are interesting. Mick's sole contribution is listed as sound effects. Joe's credited for guitars (and piano).
Mick plays bottleneck guitar on that one.
I know he played slide on that early ska live version, but the actual studio cut? Hes, you got any input on this as you are the most technically adept at guit?
That the Kampuchea one? Really love that uptempo version. I don’t hear Mick on the studio track personally but I have cloth ears for lugs both sides!
I don't hear it either. It's supposedly understated and is hidden under the heavy reverb sound on the piano.
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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by 101Walterton » 08 Feb 2019, 8:25pm

Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 8:14pm
101Walterton wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 8:12pm
Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 8:07pm
101Walterton wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 8:05pm
Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 7:58pm
That picture cover is John McVicar a British journalist and convicted one-time armed robber who escaped from prison in the 1960s.
Image
Image
Really? I never knew that.
Yep the one and the same who scripted his own film where Roger Daltrey played the lead role.
Yep I know him (not personally) he became a criminologist.
He wrote two books on the murder of Jill Dando.
I met his son once. He fell out of a tree hiding from Police and broke both legs then escaped from Police custody whilst in St Mary’s Hospital In Paddington with 2 broken legs. True story.

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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by Low Down Low » 08 Feb 2019, 8:27pm

Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 8:16pm
Low Down Low wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 7:54pm
matedog wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 7:24pm
Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 7:11pm
WestwayKid wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 6:52pm


It's a fantastic track. I've always loved Joe's vocal on that one. I was just looking at the Wikipedia page (for what it's worth) for the track and the musical credits are interesting. Mick's sole contribution is listed as sound effects. Joe's credited for guitars (and piano).
Mick plays bottleneck guitar on that one.
I know he played slide on that early ska live version, but the actual studio cut? Hes, you got any input on this as you are the most technically adept at guit?
That the Kampuchea one? Really love that uptempo version. I don’t hear Mick on the studio track personally but I have cloth ears for lugs both sides!
I don't hear it either. It's supposedly understated and is hidden under the heavy reverb sound on the piano.
I just checked Marcus Gray and he confirms mick did play the slide on the early version, called “the bankrobbing song”, but at mikey dreads initiation it was heavily dubbed to become the single version. Good job mikey you’d have to say. Would pay steeply to hear that early version though!

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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by Marky Dread » 08 Feb 2019, 8:29pm

Low Down Low wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 8:27pm
Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 8:16pm
Low Down Low wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 7:54pm
matedog wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 7:24pm
Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 7:11pm


Mick plays bottleneck guitar on that one.
I know he played slide on that early ska live version, but the actual studio cut? Hes, you got any input on this as you are the most technically adept at guit?
That the Kampuchea one? Really love that uptempo version. I don’t hear Mick on the studio track personally but I have cloth ears for lugs both sides!
I don't hear it either. It's supposedly understated and is hidden under the heavy reverb sound on the piano.
I just checked Marcus Gray and he confirms mick did play the slide on the early version, called “the bankrobbing song”, but at mikey dreads initiation it was heavily dubbed to become the single version. Good job mikey you’d have to say. Would pay steeply to hear that early version though!
Same here. I wonder if it still exists.
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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by 101Walterton » 08 Feb 2019, 8:30pm

Low Down Low wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 8:27pm
Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 8:16pm
Low Down Low wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 7:54pm
matedog wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 7:24pm
Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 7:11pm


Mick plays bottleneck guitar on that one.
I know he played slide on that early ska live version, but the actual studio cut? Hes, you got any input on this as you are the most technically adept at guit?
That the Kampuchea one? Really love that uptempo version. I don’t hear Mick on the studio track personally but I have cloth ears for lugs both sides!
I don't hear it either. It's supposedly understated and is hidden under the heavy reverb sound on the piano.
I just checked Marcus Gray and he confirms mick did play the slide on the early version, called “the bankrobbing song”, but at mikey dreads initiation it was heavily dubbed to become the single version. Good job mikey you’d have to say. Would pay steeply to hear that early version though!
Wasn’t it originally a Ska track? I am sure the first live performances are very different to how the song ended up.

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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by Low Down Low » 08 Feb 2019, 9:14pm

Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 8:29pm
Low Down Low wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 8:27pm
Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 8:16pm
Low Down Low wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 7:54pm
matedog wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 7:24pm

I know he played slide on that early ska live version, but the actual studio cut? Hes, you got any input on this as you are the most technically adept at guit?
That the Kampuchea one? Really love that uptempo version. I don’t hear Mick on the studio track personally but I have cloth ears for lugs both sides!
I don't hear it either. It's supposedly understated and is hidden under the heavy reverb sound on the piano.
I just checked Marcus Gray and he confirms mick did play the slide on the early version, called “the bankrobbing song”, but at mikey dreads initiation it was heavily dubbed to become the single version. Good job mikey you’d have to say. Would pay steeply to hear that early version though!
Same here. I wonder if it still exists.
Yes absolutely it does and what’s more, it’s going to be lumped in with the package of S! demoes being released for the 40th anniversary next year!

Well, you can always dream right ;)

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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by Marky Dread » 08 Feb 2019, 9:46pm

Low Down Low wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 9:14pm
Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 8:29pm
Low Down Low wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 8:27pm
Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 8:16pm
Low Down Low wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 7:54pm


That the Kampuchea one? Really love that uptempo version. I don’t hear Mick on the studio track personally but I have cloth ears for lugs both sides!
I don't hear it either. It's supposedly understated and is hidden under the heavy reverb sound on the piano.
I just checked Marcus Gray and he confirms mick did play the slide on the early version, called “the bankrobbing song”, but at mikey dreads initiation it was heavily dubbed to become the single version. Good job mikey you’d have to say. Would pay steeply to hear that early version though!
Same here. I wonder if it still exists.
Yes absolutely it does and what’s more, it’s going to be lumped in with the package of S! demoes being released for the 40th anniversary next year!

Well, you can always dream right ;)
Too right matey. :approve:
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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by Marky Dread » 08 Feb 2019, 9:48pm

101Walterton wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 8:30pm
Low Down Low wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 8:27pm
Marky Dread wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 8:16pm
Low Down Low wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 7:54pm
matedog wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 7:24pm

I know he played slide on that early ska live version, but the actual studio cut? Hes, you got any input on this as you are the most technically adept at guit?
That the Kampuchea one? Really love that uptempo version. I don’t hear Mick on the studio track personally but I have cloth ears for lugs both sides!
I don't hear it either. It's supposedly understated and is hidden under the heavy reverb sound on the piano.
I just checked Marcus Gray and he confirms mick did play the slide on the early version, called “the bankrobbing song”, but at mikey dreads initiation it was heavily dubbed to become the single version. Good job mikey you’d have to say. Would pay steeply to hear that early version though!
Wasn’t it originally a Ska track? I am sure the first live performances are very different to how the song ended up.
Ska (ish). The one Heston mentions as the Kampuchea (I was there!!!) version is more rocked up.
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