I can sympathise with your frustration but it is hard to understand why someone could be bothered to post and not deliver. But i guess the replying to their posts just fuels there ego but not there pockets.Rat Patrol wrote:I agree with most of what you're saying, but these kinds of people are asking for ass-kicking:NoMoreHugh wrote:Why do people feel the need to get personal against people because they dont want to share Bootlegs ?
The bootlegs are worthless and always sound awful anyway so who cares but if you want to hear them i wouldnt think being rude to people would achieve that.
I remember about 5 years ago someone from the CSI site was really treated badly hear and i know he has some fantastic studio material of Carbon silicon with full drums all playing faster and more exciting than the final releases . Why that stuff was never used is beyond me as it sounds amazing. Nearest i have heard to the clash.
I have to say there are some really kind people on this site that do share and you have to say they are legendary but ...
No one has a given right to have any bootleg stuff belonging to someone else - there is sometimes good reasons out of respect why they are not shared.
1. The profiteers who withhold for absurd sums of money. But that's not a tape-trading issue to begin with.
2. People who boast and taunt about all the gold they've got but refuse to share. If you want to keep your recordings private, keep your thoughts private too. Don't talk about it unless somebody else asks or forces the issue, and dispense with your feelings quickly and matter-of-factly. People who feed their egos from that are acting like assholes, and should be called out for it.
3. People who blackmail or milk the things they don't want to share for personal leverage. i.e. "I've got a motherlode of this, and I never share...but if you internet assholes aren't nice to me and don't do exactly what I say and don't let ME be the biggest internet asshole around...the 0.001% chance I *might* share closes and I take my ball and go home." That's dirty pool, and if the game is rigged so you won't share what you already don't plan to share you're an asshole for trying to terrorize people with it.
4. People who insincerely trade for a rare tape under the guise of sharing it, then horde and/or be an asshole once they've got it in their collection. That's an abuse of the tape-trading community's trust, especially when the original taper may want it shared and want somebody else to do the sharing (usually because they don't personally know any reputable traders or want to get involved with the mechanics of it). If the original intent is to set it free, somebody who thwarts that intent is doing wrong. Hard to prove, however...the 3rd party has to have verifiable proof that the hording intermediary pulled a fast one to make this charge stick.
That's about it. And all of those conditions have one thing in common: people being all-around, general-purpose assholes for the sake of being assholes. It doesn't truly have anything to do with their bootlegs. As long as you're polite about it and don't be an asshole, what you do with your personal recordings is your business and the tape-trading community will respect that. People who don't respect that are acting like ignorant clods or need to learn themselves some tape-trading etiquette.
My guess is that they do have the recordings just want lots of money for them - which is laughable for all the reasons that you have mentioned above.( i mean if they didnt exist how sad are they as people ) But then i do not know what is rare and what isnt so Maybe these 3 rules apply
Rule 1. If its too good to be true - it probably is
Rule 2. If nothing gets uploaded - it doesnt exist
Rule 3 If unsure refer to rule 1
The reality is that all bootlegs are worthless and no one is going to give more than pocket money for them, for the simple reason that there are hundreds and hundreds of recordings all sounding pretty much the same. If it was the only known live recording of the clash in existence then you could name your price other than that it is novelty value. Which is why so many bootleggers over the years have realised this and given there recordings away for free.
I think i read earlier one guy mentioned that all gigs were taped and looking at the regurlarity of all the recorded gigs that ended up for sale in markets you are too right. What i want to know is how did they get the recording tapes into the gigs i lost 2 devices from bouncers searching me and not returning them after the gig so after that i gave up. I was successful with one Big Audio dynamite gig - no sorry i dont have that recording any more.