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You can buy replacement plastic cd holders for digi-packs. Solid greys are easy, but if it's clear with a picture
showing thru, it's difficult to remove without tearing the photo below; and ends looking awful when your done.
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I dunno, man. Maybe it's just an r.m.b jazz nerd prejudice. For me, I see them as less durable, and when I buy a CD or a book, I only want to buy it once.
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eumaas wrote:I dunno, man. Maybe it's just an r.m.b jazz nerd prejudice. For me, I see them as less durable, and when I buy a CD or a book, I only want to buy it once.
It could have to do with usage habits too. I made that addendum on the last page so it might have been missed, but my tendency has always been to kee my cases stored and only pulled on occasion. That does a lot to decrease wear and tear. If I was bringing my digipacks with me more or whatever, maybe I'd want something more durable.

Again, I think it's rare that someone buys a new album simply to replace a digipack. You're the first person I've talked to who has mentioned that they might do that.

To put it another way: I've spent more money replacing broken jewel cases than I have on digipacks.

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From the r.m.b faq (I was trying to find some of the old debates):
5.15) What's the deal with digipacks?

Digipaks are those cardboard things that labels like Impulse, Verve, Enja, CTI, even Sony/CBS have been issuing CDs in (as opposed to the more common plastic jewel box). There is a great deal of polarization regarding this issue, with some people actually "boycotting" the digipaks (no one has ever gone on record as boycotting the jewel boxes).

o Digipak cons: Do not hold up and show wear easily (scratches, bent corners, worn edges)
o Impossible to refurbish (you must buy another entire CD - if it's still in print) - important with used CDs
o The artwork and packaging are inseparable
o More costly than jewel boxes (this is theoretically passed on to the consumer)
o Broken spokes (which hold the CD)

o Digipak pros: Nostalgia - more like the original Lp issue (if the album originally came out prior to CDs)
o More biodegradable?

o Jewel box cons: Cracked front/back panels
o Broken spokes (which hold the CD)
o Broken hinges (which hold the front panel on)
o Less biodegradable?

o Jewel box pros: Easy to replace packaging only - which effectively creates a mint condition package
o Inexpensive to replace - check for computer stores who sell these at 10 for $2.99
o Protect the artwork/booklet better - the packaging is separate from the

o artwork Less costly than digipaks (this is theoretically passed on to the consumer)

Certainly the packaging has no real bearing on the actual CD - you can put a great (or poor) quality CD in either. The digipak and the jewel box are both the same size, so storage issues do not come into play. Good reissues in jewel boxes can supply excellent artwork, original covers, notes, etc. but in a more modern protective case.

Frequent responses to this discussion have been "Why worry about the packaging - it's the music that matters," but for some, having a more Lp-like package (digipak) or one that allows for cheap and easy refurbishment (jewel box) is definitely important. Occasionally, CDs are released in BOTH forms, giving the consumer a choice. If all digipak companies released jewel box editions, those who are holding out would welcome them with open wallets.
The underlined is no longer true. Zorn and Morrissey (to my great annoyance) have both released digipaks in non-standard size, which is goddamn annoying.

I don't rip my music, and I prefer to bring the whole package with me on trips since I don't trust my memory when it comes to credits, etc. It's also better to have something to show somebody when they ask what you're listening to.
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I guess part of the reason for my pathological hatred was that when Impulse started doing digipak-only releases, they were significantly ($2-$3) more expensive than jewel cases, and we had no recourse to a jewel case option. I guess now the prices are about equal, but I've been dismayed to see a standard, easily replaceable format go the way of the dinosaurs in favor of the less durable digipak option. I suppose they dropped prices a little after the MP3 boom, but for a while it was hell being a jazz fan.
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I have to pay out the ass for HatHut releases, and they're all in ultra-thin cardboard and all are limited editions. Were my copy of Anthony Braxton - Dortmund to tear, it would cost me between $70-90 to replace it.

EDIT: and if I just kept it in a sleeve, it would be little better than a CDR to me.
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A few points in response to that post, which seems to be pretty unabashedly pro-jewel case:

1) I think it's a mistake not to point out as a "pro" the digipack's superior artwork possibilities. Not even simply as a repro, but just as a packaging experience. An example: I recently bought the Partisans first album on cd. I first bought it from some label that had it issued in a jewel case. Nice artwork, kind of sparse, whatever. Then I realized Captain Oi did their own reissue and it had one extra track not on the reissue I had just picked up. So, like the weirdly anal dude I am sometime, I order the captain oi release. It's in a digipack, artwork is the same as the other release but looks crisper with more vivid, glossier colors. The foldout doesn't have appreciably more information, but as an experience is more aesthetically and textually pleasing than the other issue's cd booklet. It's all a matter of taste, obviously, but I'm just pointing out that a digipack and jewel case provide two different packaging experiences, and depending on how much you value one over the other it becomes a point worth mentioning.

2) Even with the standard digipack dimensions, it does take up a little less space than a jewel case. I've found that I can usually fit 6 or so digipacks into the same shelving that can only fit 5 or so jewel cases. Not a huge difference, but when you're dealing with several thousand cds it can become somewhat noticeable. I agree that the weirdly sized cases can be obnoxious for storage purposes, but I think that it can provide a really unique an enjoyable packaging experience. So, hit or miss there. I usually have to judge based on the individual packaging whether going non-standard size is worth it.

3) The extra cost of a digipack is sort of an iffy point. I've noticed sometimes it's built into the price, other times it's not. Sometimes digipacks are cheaper than other jewel case releases. I think that pricing differences are pretty much within the variance you'll find with cd releases anyways (I picked up this clash release for about 5 bucks less than the jewel case version was selling for). So, eh.

I think you bring up really good points about why jewel cases work better for you. I guess I'm not pro- or anti- one or the other, I think that both kinds of packaging serve different functions and may be suitable or preferable in certain circumstances but not in others.

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Flex wrote:A few points in response to that post, which seems to be pretty unabashedly pro-jewel case:

1) I think it's a mistake not to point out as a "pro" the digipack's superior artwork possibilities. Not even simply as a repro, but just as a packaging experience. An example: I recently bought the Partisans first album on cd. I first bought it from some label that had it issued in a jewel case. Nice artwork, kind of sparse, whatever. Then I realized Captain Oi did their own reissue and it had one extra track not on the reissue I had just picked up. So, like the weirdly anal dude I am sometime, I order the captain oi release. It's in a digipack, artwork is the same as the other release but looks crisper with more vivid, glossier colors. The foldout doesn't have appreciably more information, but as an experience is more aesthetically and textually pleasing than the other issue's cd booklet. It's all a matter of taste, obviously, but I'm just pointing out that a digipack and jewel case provide two different packaging experiences, and depending on how much you value one over the other it becomes a point worth mentioning.

2) Even with the standard digipack dimensions, it does take up a little less space than a jewel case. I've found that I can usually fit 6 or so digipacks into the same shelving that can only fit 5 or so jewel cases. Not a huge difference, but when you're dealing with several thousand cds it can become somewhat noticeable. I agree that the weirdly sized cases can be obnoxious for storage purposes, but I think that it can provide a really unique an enjoyable packaging experience. So, hit or miss there. I usually have to judge based on the individual packaging whether going non-standard size is worth it.

3) The extra cost of a digipack is sort of an iffy point. I've noticed sometimes it's built into the price, other times it's not. Sometimes digipacks are cheaper than other jewel case releases. I think that pricing differences are pretty much within the variance you'll find with cd releases anyways (I picked up this clash release for about 5 bucks less than the jewel case version was selling for). So, eh.

I think you bring up really good points about why jewel cases work better for you. I guess I'm not pro- or anti- one or the other, I think that both kinds of packaging serve different functions and may be suitable or preferable in certain circumstances but not in others.

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I mean, the Zorn release is pretty, but frankly I'd prefer something more compatible with the rest of my collection.

One thing, though: when I remembered all my HatHut releases, my hatred again flared up. There's nothing cool about having to pay $70-90 to replace a favorite CD. The whole point I buy CDs and not vinyl is durability. Digipaks weaken that, and when I'm forced into buying digipak as it's my only option for a limited reissue of a major record (like Dortmund Quartet 1976 is), it really pisses me off.
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I call retardation on this issue.
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BostonBeaneater wrote:I call retardation on this issue.
Shea Stadium? :shifty:
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Flex wrote: Addendum: Boring thread drift or MOST BORING THREAD DRIFT EVER?
I like digipacks that come with earplugs...

Seriously though, I don't like jewel cases...they become easily scratched, cracked, and show fingerprints...sure, jewel cases can be easily replaced unless they're "special" OEM cases. I like digipacks because they're fancy and look cool. I've never had a problem with breaking hub teeth. The case I loathe is the simple cardboard type where it's difficult to get the CD out without touching (thus leaving fingerprints) on the CD's playing surface.

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BR16ADE_R055E wrote:
Flex wrote: Addendum: Boring thread drift or MOST BORING THREAD DRIFT EVER?
I like digipacks that come with earplugs...
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I hate CDs only slightly less than I hate jewel cases. CDs killed Rock and Roll. In five years people won't even remember they existed.

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IkarisOne wrote:I hate CDs only slightly less than I hate jewel cases. CDs killed Rock and Roll. In five years people won't even remember they existed.
I think MP3 is much worse a villain than the CD--yet we also have FLAC now, so there may be hope.

I've read that they actually had the technology for 24-96 digital in the 80s. Fuckers.
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IkarisOne wrote:I hate CDs only slightly less than I hate jewel cases. CDs killed Rock and Roll. In five years people won't even remember they existed.
I don't think people will ever forget they existed but they will never be collectibles like LPs are. Interesting to note that after shrinking to one tiny little 2x5 cubby a couple of years ago, LPs now have their own room again at Newbury Comics. CDs are going the way of tapes and 8-tracks. I think there is some interesting stuff going on with MySpace and sites like it where small time bands can be heard by the masses. None of this crap ever dies, it just goes dormant for a while until the next wave.
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