As Matey knows, one of the reasons I like Spencer so much is because he uses traditional grip.Kory wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 4:09pmI gotta say the new band is pretty shit-hot though, at least live. This performance on YouTube is quite energetic:WestwayKid wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 3:23pm...or Spencer Cobrin!Kory wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 1:27pmMaybe he'll return like Gary Day did. Briefly.WestwayKid wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 11:16amListening to Ringleader this morning - it's a really solid album. Alain Whyte's songwriting is really, really solid - probably some of his best moments as a songwriting partner with Morrissey. "Life Is a Pigsty" is a really great track. The album sounds tough - tons of glam riffs from Whyte, Boorer and Tobias. Great rhythm section in Matt Chamberlain and Gary Day. I've always thought Morrissey sounds his best when he has a heavy hitter behind the kit - which is where an album like You are the Quarry falls short. Also - I'm not sure that Morrissey has ever recovered from the loss of Whyte. Years of Refusal was a good album...but World Peace and Low in High School haven't been as good (at least not in my opinion).
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I'd go:
Vauxhall & I
Viva Hate
You are the Quarry
Southpaw
and then indifference. Some comments:
- surprised by the affection for Your Arsenal. Not sure if this is just a IMCT thing or a Morrissey fan thing. I had thought the singles were widely regarded as some of his weakest, although I was aware this album was regarded as a bit of a comeback following Kill Uncle.
- surprised by the lack of fondness of You Are the Quarry. For me, like every other Morrissey album, I could happily live without hearing a good number of the songs ever again, but I'd take the best five or so from this album (Irish Blood, Come Back to Camden, I'm Not Sorry, Crashing Bores and First of the Gang) over any other 5 or so songs on any of the other albums not on my list.
- I found Ringleader completely unmemorable despite my best efforts. Only song I like is the one that talks about Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. I found the singles better on Years of Refusal, but the rest equally uninspiring.
- Morrissey has a lot of songs I really like, but I don't regard him as capable of putting together a strong album. Vauxhall is the closest, but even there it dies towards the end (saved of course, at the very end, by the mighty Speedway).
- did not buy the last album. Don't want to litigate his history, but the stupid comments and behaviour finally got too much for me.
Vauxhall & I
Viva Hate
You are the Quarry
Southpaw
and then indifference. Some comments:
- surprised by the affection for Your Arsenal. Not sure if this is just a IMCT thing or a Morrissey fan thing. I had thought the singles were widely regarded as some of his weakest, although I was aware this album was regarded as a bit of a comeback following Kill Uncle.
- surprised by the lack of fondness of You Are the Quarry. For me, like every other Morrissey album, I could happily live without hearing a good number of the songs ever again, but I'd take the best five or so from this album (Irish Blood, Come Back to Camden, I'm Not Sorry, Crashing Bores and First of the Gang) over any other 5 or so songs on any of the other albums not on my list.
- I found Ringleader completely unmemorable despite my best efforts. Only song I like is the one that talks about Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. I found the singles better on Years of Refusal, but the rest equally uninspiring.
- Morrissey has a lot of songs I really like, but I don't regard him as capable of putting together a strong album. Vauxhall is the closest, but even there it dies towards the end (saved of course, at the very end, by the mighty Speedway).
- did not buy the last album. Don't want to litigate his history, but the stupid comments and behaviour finally got too much for me.
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Dis guy here ^^^^ is smart.
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Your Arsenal is great and has that 70s glam feel to it which I really like. I agree totally about You Ate the Curry having some brilliant singles/tracks. Irish Blood, English Heart is fantastic.drowninghere wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 7:08pmI'd go:
Vauxhall & I
Viva Hate
You are the Quarry
Southpaw
and then indifference. Some comments:
- surprised by the affection for Your Arsenal. Not sure if this is just a IMCT thing or a Morrissey fan thing. I had thought the singles were widely regarded as some of his weakest, although I was aware this album was regarded as a bit of a comeback following Kill Uncle.
- surprised by the lack of fondness of You Are the Quarry. For me, like every other Morrissey album, I could happily live without hearing a good number of the songs ever again, but I'd take the best five or so from this album (Irish Blood, Come Back to Camden, I'm Not Sorry, Crashing Bores and First of the Gang) over any other 5 or so songs on any of the other albums not on my list.
- I found Ringleader completely unmemorable despite my best efforts. Only song I like is the one that talks about Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. I found the singles better on Years of Refusal, but the rest equally uninspiring.
- Morrissey has a lot of songs I really like, but I don't regard him as capable of putting together a strong album. Vauxhall is the closest, but even there it dies towards the end (saved of course, at the very end, by the mighty Speedway).
- did not buy the last album. Don't want to litigate his history, but the stupid comments and behaviour finally got too much for me.
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Interesting many of us have Quarry ranked so low. I remember it was seen as such a comeback when it was released - which I guess it was - but maybe it hasn't aged well?
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The other Morrissey/Clash connection that comes to mind is the fact that Joe was apparently approached to produce Morrissey around the Southpaw era. It obviously never happened...but interesting to ponder what that album would have sounded like with Joe behind the board?
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Kill Uncle meets Earthquake Weather?WestwayKid wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 11:01amThe other Morrissey/Clash connection that comes to mind is the fact that Joe was apparently approached to produce Morrissey around the Southpaw era. It obviously never happened...but interesting to ponder what that album would have sounded like with Joe behind the board?
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If it's anything like Hell's Ditch, Morrissey would be sipping opium and whiskey from a straw, whining the vocals out syllable by syllable, leaving the engineers to Frankenstein stitch the whole lot together while he's passed out next to a minor Welsh motorway. That might just have been Strummer's production style.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 11:07amKill Uncle meets Earthquake Weather?WestwayKid wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 11:01amThe other Morrissey/Clash connection that comes to mind is the fact that Joe was apparently approached to produce Morrissey around the Southpaw era. It obviously never happened...but interesting to ponder what that album would have sounded like with Joe behind the board?
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Silent Majority wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 11:13amIf it's anything like Hell's Ditch, Morrissey would be sipping opium and whiskey from a straw, whining the vocals out syllable by syllable, leaving the engineers to Frankenstein stitch the whole lot together while he's passed out next to a minor Welsh motorway. That might just have been Strummer's production style.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 11:07amKill Uncle meets Earthquake Weather?WestwayKid wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 11:01amThe other Morrissey/Clash connection that comes to mind is the fact that Joe was apparently approached to produce Morrissey around the Southpaw era. It obviously never happened...but interesting to ponder what that album would have sounded like with Joe behind the board?
Intriguing!
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It was supposed to be for Maladjusted. We could have maybe gotten a good album out of it.WestwayKid wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 11:01amThe other Morrissey/Clash connection that comes to mind is the fact that Joe was apparently approached to produce Morrissey around the Southpaw era. It obviously never happened...but interesting to ponder what that album would have sounded like with Joe behind the board?
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In my case, I overplayed it at the time because it was a comeback and never listen to it anymore.WestwayKid wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 11:00amInteresting many of us have Quarry ranked so low. I remember it was seen as such a comeback when it was released - which I guess it was - but maybe it hasn't aged well?
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I don't rank albums by the singles on it, I rank it by the quality of the album as a whole, which this one nails. It's muscular and dark, has great lyrics and melodies, and outstanding drumming.drowninghere wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 7:08pm- surprised by the affection for Your Arsenal. Not sure if this is just a IMCT thing or a Morrissey fan thing. I had thought the singles were widely regarded as some of his weakest, although I was aware this album was regarded as a bit of a comeback following Kill Uncle.
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My thoughts exactly. The album overall sounds great. Ronson's production alongside Morrissey's squad of rockabilly kids really hit and Morrissey sounds reborn. Alain and Boz's guitars crunch and roar...Gary Day's bass playing is melodic and Spencer Cobrin's drumming is very outstanding. I ranked it below Vauxhall - but it is so close.Kory wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 1:44pmI don't rank albums by the singles on it, I rank it by the quality of the album as a whole, which this one nails. It's muscular and dark, has great lyrics and melodies, and outstanding drumming.drowninghere wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 7:08pm- surprised by the affection for Your Arsenal. Not sure if this is just a IMCT thing or a Morrissey fan thing. I had thought the singles were widely regarded as some of his weakest, although I was aware this album was regarded as a bit of a comeback following Kill Uncle.
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"Singles are for girls."WestwayKid wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 1:49pmMy thoughts exactly. The album overall sounds great. Ronson's production alongside Morrissey's squad of rockabilly kids really hit and Morrissey sounds reborn. Alain and Boz's guitars crunch and roar...Gary Day's bass playing is melodic and Spencer Cobrin's drumming is very outstanding. I ranked it below Vauxhall - but it is so close.Kory wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 1:44pmI don't rank albums by the singles on it, I rank it by the quality of the album as a whole, which this one nails. It's muscular and dark, has great lyrics and melodies, and outstanding drumming.drowninghere wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 7:08pm- surprised by the affection for Your Arsenal. Not sure if this is just a IMCT thing or a Morrissey fan thing. I had thought the singles were widely regarded as some of his weakest, although I was aware this album was regarded as a bit of a comeback following Kill Uncle.
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^ Glam, rockabilly and muscular not really my thing so that probably explains it there. Do very much like We'll Let You Know and NFD.