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Lyceum Dec 29 1978 upgrade?

Posted: 13 May 2020, 9:18am
by JohnS
There’s a new(ish) factory pressed bootleg which claims to be an upgrade on the ‘Buy or Die’ CD. This write up mentions a better source and more content here and there. See the track listing comments about Stay Free having ‘the guitar riff is longer than previous’ etc
Chances are it’s nothing that we haven’t already got and shared but can anyone confirm? Is this one for a Marky remaster at some point?

https://www.giginjapan.com/clash-78lyceum/

The same label ‘Wardour’ has also issued a 2CD set of the June 17th 1980 Hammersmith Palais show, also claiming to be an upgrade.

https://www.giginjapan.com/clash-hammer ... 2nd-night/

Re: Lyceum Dec 29 1978 upgrade?

Posted: 13 May 2020, 9:45am
by matedog
JohnS wrote:
13 May 2020, 9:18am
There’s a new(ish) factory pressed bootleg which claims to be an upgrade on the ‘Buy or Die’ CD. This write up mentions a better source and more content here and there. See the track listing comments about Stay Free having ‘the guitar riff is longer than previous’ etc
Chances are it’s nothing that we haven’t already got and shared but can anyone confirm? Is this one for a Marky remaster at some point?

https://www.giginjapan.com/clash-78lyceum/

The same label ‘Wardour’ has also issued a 2CD set of the June 17th 1980 Hammersmith Palais show, also claiming to be an upgrade.

https://www.giginjapan.com/clash-hammer ... 2nd-night/
Oh man, I'd love legit upgrades of both. Is this another one of those ones you have to buy in Japan like the 1982 Japan show upgrades that popped up a few years ago?

Re: Lyceum Dec 29 1978 upgrade?

Posted: 13 May 2020, 11:33am
by Olaf
The artwork is certainly not an upgrade.

Re: Lyceum Dec 29 1978 upgrade?

Posted: 13 May 2020, 11:43am
by matedog
It also doesn't match the December 29th setlist: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-clas ... 5f920.html

I wish we had BMC up, because I can't easily verify the setlist.fm list. I actually doesn't really match 12/28 or 1/3 either.

Re: Lyceum Dec 29 1978 upgrade?

Posted: 13 May 2020, 12:07pm
by laxman
matedog wrote:
13 May 2020, 11:43am
It also doesn't match the December 29th setlist: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-clas ... 5f920.html

I wish we had BMC up, because I can't easily verify the setlist.fm list. I actually doesn't really match 12/28 or 1/3 either.
It looks like the same track listing as Buy or Die.

https://www.discogs.com/The-Clash-Buy-O ... se/3463801

Tracklist
1 Safe European Home
2 Fought The Law
3 Jail Guitar Doors
4 Drug Stabbin' Time
5 Cheapskates
6 The City Of The Dead
7 Clash City Rockers
8 Tommy Gun
9 (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais
10 English Civil War
11 Stay Free
12 Guns On The Roof (Of The World)
13 Police And Thieves
14 Julie's In The Drug Squad
15 Capital Radio
16 Janie Jones
17 Garage Land
18 Complete Control
19 London's Burning
20 White Riot
Bonus Track
21 Rockers Galore

Re: Lyceum Dec 29 1978 upgrade?

Posted: 13 May 2020, 12:49pm
by JohnS
laxman wrote:
13 May 2020, 12:07pm
It looks like the same track listing as Buy or Die.
https://www.discogs.com/The-Clash-Buy-O ... se/3463801
But the write-up says it's an upgrade or better version of the source, used on that title. That's what got me thinking.

PS it seems this was released in 2018, not as recent as I thought, but it is still available to buy out there.

Re: Lyceum Dec 29 1978 upgrade?

Posted: 13 May 2020, 5:02pm
by matedog
JohnS wrote:
13 May 2020, 12:49pm
laxman wrote:
13 May 2020, 12:07pm
It looks like the same track listing as Buy or Die.
https://www.discogs.com/The-Clash-Buy-O ... se/3463801
But the write-up says it's an upgrade or better version of the source, used on that title. That's what got me thinking.

PS it seems this was released in 2018, not as recent as I thought, but it is still available to buy out there.
Thank you BMC: http://www.blackmarketclash.co.uk/Pages ... yceum.html

So Buy or Die is the 29th with a 28th encore tacked on at the end.

Re: Lyceum Dec 29 1978 upgrade?

Posted: 14 May 2020, 3:07pm
by Marky Dread
I have them both and to my ears they are not an upgrade on my remasters.

I'm almost certain the Lyceum one is taken from my remaster

Re: Lyceum Dec 29 1978 upgrade?

Posted: 14 May 2020, 6:55pm
by JohnS
Marky Dread wrote:
14 May 2020, 3:07pm
I have them both and to my ears they are not an upgrade on my remasters.
I'm almost certain the Lyceum one is taken from my remaster
Right from the horse’s mouth. Thanks for the confirmation Marky :mrgreen:

Re: Lyceum Dec 29 1978 upgrade?

Posted: 21 May 2020, 3:29am
by white man
Marky Dread wrote:
14 May 2020, 3:07pm
I have them both and to my ears they are not an upgrade on my remasters.

I'm almost certain the Lyceum one is taken from my remaster
Marky, have you never thought of "Marking" your remasters A la Mike Millard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Millard
I think he used to insert a note or blip onto his recordings that didn't interfere with the listeners enjoyment, but one he could trace back to its origin.
Apologies if you've already done this ;)

Re: Lyceum Dec 29 1978 upgrade?

Posted: 21 May 2020, 5:31am
by Marky Dread
white man wrote:
21 May 2020, 3:29am
Marky Dread wrote:
14 May 2020, 3:07pm
I have them both and to my ears they are not an upgrade on my remasters.

I'm almost certain the Lyceum one is taken from my remaster
Marky, have you never thought of "Marking" your remasters A la Mike Millard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Millard
I think he used to insert a note or blip onto his recordings that didn't interfere with the listeners enjoyment, but one he could trace back to its origin.
Apologies if you've already done this ;)
No but I would be against that idea. First off Millard had no right to record those concerts in the first place. He gave them to friends etc who he trusted. If they broke that trust then that's a shame.

These Clash shows are NOT my property. They ARE my remasters only. I only remaster these shows because Mick Jones has said he is happy with this stuff being out on the internet. I just try to present stuff that's mostly available in the best possible sound I can achieve. By doing this I hope in some small way it brings more listeners to the brilliance of The Clash. It's like my way of giving something back.

I will also add that pretending to an invalid in a wheel chair just to record a Led Zeppelin show really sucks.