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eumaas wrote:I think Hell or Verlaine sort of supersede Smith. There's nothing Smith does that couldn't be summed up by Blank Generation or Marquee Moon. That's not to deny her, but just that she isn't different enough that Easter should stand apart.
I agree, I was just thinking of three albums that would fit better for the mission at hand than Ramones. I still say the best fit is Blank Generation.
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eumaas wrote:I think Hell or Verlaine sort of supersede Smith. There's nothing Smith does that couldn't be summed up by Blank Generation or Marquee Moon. That's not to deny her, but just that she isn't different enough that Easter should stand apart.
I agree, I was just thinking of three albums that would fit better for the mission at hand than Ramones. I still say the best fit is Blank Generation.
Yeah. Blank Generation balances the poetry, the art noise, and the LAMFiness. Really great record. I need to stop reading Lacan and get cracking on that review.
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Flex wrote:
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dave202 wrote:Is there a definitive New York punk album?
Ramones
I actually think that record is more atypical than not for NY Punk.
Exactly. They were fairly unique in the scene. I loves 'em, and if we were doing a roundup of albums it would be essential, but I don't think they were very indicative of what the NY scene was known for. That would be Marquee Moon or Blank Generation. Maybe Easter.
This is a massive oversimplification but the Ramones strike me as more London punk because they sounded short, sharp, aggressive, and fun, like a destructive child. Voidoids, Television, Talking Heads—far more introverted, cerebral, and dark in comparison. Ramones were "have a good time;" Television was "this is serious." That no wave would be associated with New York seems a perfectly reasonable outcome.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
Flex wrote:
eumaas wrote:
BR16ADE_R055E wrote:
dave202 wrote:Is there a definitive New York punk album?
Ramones
I actually think that record is more atypical than not for NY Punk.
Exactly. They were fairly unique in the scene. I loves 'em, and if we were doing a roundup of albums it would be essential, but I don't think they were very indicative of what the NY scene was known for. That would be Marquee Moon or Blank Generation. Maybe Easter.
This is a massive oversimplification but the Ramones strike me as more London punk because they sounded short, sharp, aggressive, and fun, like a destructive child. Voidoids, Television, Talking Heads—far more introverted, cerebral, and dark in comparison. Ramones were "have a good time;" Television was "this is serious." That no wave would be associated with New York seems a perfectly reasonable outcome.
I think the biggest difference between no wave and post-punk is that where the latter marked a break, the former was a continuity. There's a straight line from the Voidoids to the Contortions. I don't think that's the case for the Buzzcocks to Magazine, for example.
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eumaas wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
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eumaas wrote:
BR16ADE_R055E wrote: Ramones
I actually think that record is more atypical than not for NY Punk.
Exactly. They were fairly unique in the scene. I loves 'em, and if we were doing a roundup of albums it would be essential, but I don't think they were very indicative of what the NY scene was known for. That would be Marquee Moon or Blank Generation. Maybe Easter.
This is a massive oversimplification but the Ramones strike me as more London punk because they sounded short, sharp, aggressive, and fun, like a destructive child. Voidoids, Television, Talking Heads—far more introverted, cerebral, and dark in comparison. Ramones were "have a good time;" Television was "this is serious." That no wave would be associated with New York seems a perfectly reasonable outcome.
I think the biggest difference between no wave and post-punk is that where the latter marked a break, the former was a continuity. There's a straight line from the Voidoids to the Contortions. I don't think that's the case for the Buzzcocks to Magazine, for example.
I'm sure we could cherrypick the evidence to go either way—especially because there is no single definitive punk band from either NY or London—but in general I'd agree.
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eumaas wrote:
BR16ADE_R055E wrote:
dave202 wrote:Is there a definitive New York punk album?
Ramones
I actually think that record is more atypical than not for NY Punk.
Well, "53rd & 3rd" shows a New York theme, and the cover photo is very New York...I guess you're all referring to the New York sound...hmmm...

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Can anyone suggest a list of tracks I could look for to compile a double cd of the scene at that time? Say, 30 essential tracks to allow for the diversity of bands and styles.

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dave202 wrote:Can anyone suggest a list of tracks I could look for to compile a double cd of the scene at that time? Say, 30 essential tracks to allow for the diversity of bands and styles.
If you pick up a copy of Legs McNeill's Please Kill Me, you could use that as a guide for creating a compilation.
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Hello,

You could try the DIY series entry for NY:

D.I.Y.: Blank Generation: The New York Scene (1975-78)

I have it somewhere. It's decent.

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I would suggest you check out Clinton Heylin's book "From The Velvets To The Voidoids" the subject is covered best there.

I think the Velvets has to be given the most credit their influence was widespread.

Blank Generation is quite brilliant.
Would make a case for bostonians The Modern Lovers again huge Velvets influence "Roadrunner" and "She Cracked" are brilliant. The Stooges who were influenced by the Doors.

It's all Rock 'n' Roll however you look at it from Robert Quinne jazz inspired guitar to Iggy's primeval screams musical ability and attitude have to ride this train side by side.

01.White Light / White Heat - Velvet Underground
02.Break On Through - The Doors
03.Loose - The Stooges
04.Roadrunner - The Modern Lovers
05.Kick Out The Jams - MC5
06.Personality Crisis - The New York Dolls
07.Piss Factory - Patti Smith
08.Love Comes In Spurts - The Heartbreakers
09.Blitzkrieg Bop - The Ramones
10.Blank Generation - Richard Hell & The Voidoids
11.Born To Lose - Johnny Thunders & The Heartbreakers
12.Sonic Reducer - The Dead Boys

Something like that for me for a short comp. Of course their are endless more like Suicide, The Dictators, Rocket From The Tombs, Pere Ubu, Electric Eels etc..

Where does Punk rock start ...well it's chicken and the egg time, The first time some unknown bluesman got some distortion from a two bit amp and started to sing about someone doing him wrong would be close I guess.
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I guess this was my first introduction to some of the bands mentioned.
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Although not excusively NY it did have ramones,talkingheads,deadboys, voidoids and patti.
think its out of print now and could probably upload if anyones up for some memories of .....buying a record for the Damned track cos you couldnt get new rose as a 7"and ending up with 'love goes to buildings on fire' which couldnt possibly be what Americans thought was punk rock could it?

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That's a good comp I have that one.

As for Talking Heads they are not really punk if anything I would say art house and later pop.
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I always thought that compilation was a funny one. The Damned had nothing to do with Phonogram who issued it, The Boomtown Rats track was just out as a single and therefore a bargain on the initial cheap-price copies, and Little Bob Story? Belgian punk? Covering the Small Faces? The rest was American and mostly on Sire, so when they went with warners for distribution, the weired compilation vanished. Upload if you could.

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dave202 wrote:I always thought that compilation was a funny one. The Damned had nothing to do with Phonogram who issued it, The Boomtown Rats track was just out as a single and therefore a bargain on the initial cheap-price copies, and Little Bob Story? Belgian punk? Covering the Small Faces? The rest was American and mostly on Sire, so when they went with warners for distribution, the weired compilation vanished. Upload if you could.


http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ERT9WRZO

01 Ramones - Judy Is A Punk
02 Dead Boys - Sonic Reducer
03 Patti Smith - Piss Factory
04 New York Dolls - Personality Crisis
05 Runaways - Hollywood
06 Skyhooks - Horror Movie
07 Richard Hell And The Void - Oids - Love Comes In Spurts
08 Little Bob Story - All Or Nothing
09 Boomtown Rats - Looking After Number 1
10 Talking Heads - Love Goes To Building On Fire
11 Damned - New Rose
12 Ramones - Suzy Is A Headbanger
13 Dead Boys - All This And More
14 Flaming Groovies - Shake Some Action
15 Runaways - Cherry Bomb
16 New York Dolls - Who Are The Mystery Girls

Im Still due you a valves single Dave. Sorry i forgot all about it. Will take care of that shortly.

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Dead Boys - Young, Loud and Snotty is another good one.

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