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Flex wrote:Lydon is usually at his best when surrounded by other musicians which help him rise up. the original Pistols lineup did that as did PiL up to Wobble's departure. His work with Bambaataa and Leftfield suggest that he could still produce some gems when paired with talent that helped raise his ship, so to speak.
I agree, tho I don't know how much he actual contributed to "World Destruction" or "Open Up" besides his voice. Album was the last album where he put any real effort into his singing. Since then it's been this high intoned whine that is probably easier on his throat, but sounds bored. Metal Box is pretty much the last hurrah for him as an inspired lyricist, too. That stretch of Bollocks, First Issue, and Metal Box has some amazing writing on it, but after that, can you name even three songs that come close? "You, you make me angry" ("Angry")—thanks for phoning it in, John.
His solo album ruins my thesis because it is the great thing to be recorded by mankind besides Cut the Crap.
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Flowers of Romance is pretty spec-tac.
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eumaas wrote:Flowers of Romance is pretty spec-tac.
"Gloom sits in doom in his room." Would have been a very good ep—Flowers, Under the House, Banging the Door, Go Back—but what's good on there isn't really connected with Lydon (i.e., the music).
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:Flowers of Romance is pretty spec-tac.
"Gloom sits in doom in his room." Would have been a very good ep—Flowers, Under the House, Banging the Door, Go Back—but what's good on there isn't really connected with Lydon (i.e., the music).
I think it's a great LP and better than First Issue.
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eumaas wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:Flowers of Romance is pretty spec-tac.
"Gloom sits in doom in his room." Would have been a very good ep—Flowers, Under the House, Banging the Door, Go Back—but what's good on there isn't really connected with Lydon (i.e., the music).
I think it's a great LP and better than First Issue.
It might be, but I'd wager that's likely despite Lydon and not because of him.
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Flex wrote:
eumaas wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:Flowers of Romance is pretty spec-tac.
"Gloom sits in doom in his room." Would have been a very good ep—Flowers, Under the House, Banging the Door, Go Back—but what's good on there isn't really connected with Lydon (i.e., the music).
I think it's a great LP and better than First Issue.
It might be, but I'd wager that's likely despite Lydon and not because of him.
Lydon's an inconsistent input in the PiL experience for me anyway. He can be very good (Poptones), but I don't think of his excellence in various songs as being a function of talent.
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eumaas wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:Flowers of Romance is pretty spec-tac.
"Gloom sits in doom in his room." Would have been a very good ep—Flowers, Under the House, Banging the Door, Go Back—but what's good on there isn't really connected with Lydon (i.e., the music).
I think it's a great LP and better than First Issue.
You would … you would. The only track that is weak compared to the best of Flowers is "Theme," but if I'm in the right mood even that is excellent. Okay, that and the silly spoken version of "Religion."
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:Flowers of Romance is pretty spec-tac.
"Gloom sits in doom in his room." Would have been a very good ep—Flowers, Under the House, Banging the Door, Go Back—but what's good on there isn't really connected with Lydon (i.e., the music).
I think it's a great LP and better than First Issue.
You would … you would. The only track that is weak compared to the best of Flowers is "Theme," but if I'm in the right mood even that is excellent. Okay, that and the silly spoken version of "Religion."
You rate Fodderstompf?
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I like both First Issue AND Flowers of Romance.
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Wolter wrote:I like both First Issue AND Flowers of Romance.
Me too. I just think Flowers is better than First Issue.
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Wolter wrote:I like both First Issue AND Flowers of Romance.
See what I mean? Flexian.

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eumaas wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:Flowers of Romance is pretty spec-tac.
"Gloom sits in doom in his room." Would have been a very good ep—Flowers, Under the House, Banging the Door, Go Back—but what's good on there isn't really connected with Lydon (i.e., the music).
I think it's a great LP and better than First Issue.
You would … you would. The only track that is weak compared to the best of Flowers is "Theme," but if I'm in the right mood even that is excellent. Okay, that and the silly spoken version of "Religion."
You rate Fodderstompf?
Fodderstompf hauls ass. One of the best things the original line-up (not counting drummers) ever did. Groovy ass bass line and an amusing fuck you to Virgin about album length. PiL opened a lot of shows in '79 with Fodderstompf—just Wobble and a drummer, as far as I can tell—and it's utterly perfect.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:Fodderstompf hauls ass. One of the best things the original line-up (not counting drummers) ever did. Groovy ass bass line and an amusing fuck you to Virgin about album length. PiL opened a lot of shows in '79 with Fodderstompf—just Wobble and a drummer, as far as I can tell—and it's utterly perfect.
I'm with our Northern friend here, Fodderstompf is the proverbial bee's knees.
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Fodderstompf is great and well described by the Hookmeister General, however a lot of what the early PIL line came up with has the loose feel of a lucky accident taking place sometimes sounding innovative but mostly just jamming and finding a groove.

as for First issue and Flowers to say one is better than the other is worthless as they are so far removed from one another they may as well been made by different groups, Levene's guitar is very distinctive as melodic discord on First Issue and is virtually non existant on Flowers.
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Marky Dread wrote:Fodderstompf is great and well described by the Hookmeister General, however a lot of what the early PIL line came up with has the loose feel of a lucky accident taking place sometimes sounding innovative but mostly just jamming and finding a groove.
Very true. Theme, Religion, and Fodderstompf all seem like jams. And much of it seems more a continuation punk and the Pistols than actually doing anything truly different. Take out Wobble's dub-informed bass and it's nothing really unusual.
as for First issue and Flowers to say one is better than the other is worthless as they are so far removed from one another they may as well been made by different groups, Levene's guitar is very distinctive as melodic discord on First Issue and is virtually non existant on Flowers.
Again, true, but the results are, to me at least, less satisfying on Flowers. It also seems improvised, more so than First Issue. Part of the problem, as I mentioned earlier, is that Lydon's lost his voice as a lyricist. Nevertheless, as a concept, or at least what they do with it, doesn't seem worth a full lp.
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