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Re: Clash MK II - Best Boots (and a new Appreciation!)

Post by matedog » 10 Dec 2013, 1:05pm

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Chuck Mangione wrote:The real Clash never happened.
I wonder what would have happened if the Clash II had burst onto the scene with no Clash before them. Probably laughed out of town in 1984.
Almost certainly. Having the name and legacy gave them a hearing they otherwise never would have gotten. The material just wasn't that good.
Would they have been better or worse than The Exploited (note - Flex isn't allowed to chime in on this one)?
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: Clash MK II - Best Boots (and a new Appreciation!)

Post by Dr. Medulla » 10 Dec 2013, 1:18pm

matedog wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
Heston wrote:
Chuck Mangione wrote:The real Clash never happened.
I wonder what would have happened if the Clash II had burst onto the scene with no Clash before them. Probably laughed out of town in 1984.
Almost certainly. Having the name and legacy gave them a hearing they otherwise never would have gotten. The material just wasn't that good.
Would they have been better or worse than The Exploited (note - Flex isn't allowed to chime in on this one)?
Different genres, so better or worse depends on your genre preference. I'd pick Clash II, tho I probably wouldn't be bothered if someone stole my Walkman.
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Re: Clash MK II - Best Boots (and a new Appreciation!)

Post by Chuck Mangione » 10 Dec 2013, 1:21pm

Anything over the Exploited.

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Re: Clash MK II - Best Boots (and a new Appreciation!)

Post by Heston » 10 Dec 2013, 2:17pm

Chuck Mangione wrote:Anything over the Exploited.
This. Horrific music.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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Post by Chuck Mangione » 10 Dec 2013, 2:25pm

I'll even take Combat Rock over them.

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Post by Dr. Medulla » 10 Dec 2013, 2:35pm

And the new guy begins wondering what breed of dog created the shit he just stepped in …
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Post by Flex » 10 Dec 2013, 2:38pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:And the new guy begins wondering what breed of dog created the shit he just stepped in …
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Re: Clash MK II - Best Boots (and a new Appreciation!)

Post by biopunk » 10 Dec 2013, 9:38pm

matedog wrote:
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IrelandCalling wrote:Thanks for the thoughts everyone!

I'm not sure which one to go for next, matedog thanks for the word on San Francisco show, I might try that one if it has great sound

'Five Alive' from Stockholm seems to have a good rep also

I wish to hear stuff like 'Movers and Shakers' live, and 'Cool Under Heat' - I know there is a 'Out of Control' (CTC Revisited) different from the 14-track demos boot, which I think has all of the CTC songs live aswell as some demos.

Is there any video in existence of the Clash II?
I think Cool Under Heat was only played on the busking tour. There are some boots available, mostly of low quality.

Search YouTube for "Clash Roskilde" or "Paul Breakdancing" and you should be able to see some Clash II live footage.
:lol:

I posted Cool Under Heat for Heston awhile back:
[youtube][/youtube]

The busking shows are okay. There's absolutely zero dynamics or nuance in the arrangements, so it's hard to say they are any kind of improvement on the CTC versions. Less shitshowy, more boring. The only footage I've seen is the Roskilde boot (on youtube) which is pretty dreadful and snippets from Entertainment Tonight in early 84:
[youtube][/youtube]
Don't know about video, but I think the "An Acoustic Toon" EP from the Sunderland/Newcastle dates of the 1985 Busking Tour is the sweetest: Johnny Too Bad, Garageland, Police On My Back, and Pressure Drop.
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Re: Clash MK II - Best Boots (and a new Appreciation!)

Post by IrelandCalling » 11 Dec 2013, 7:39am

Dr. Medulla wrote:And the new guy begins wondering what breed of dog created the shit he just stepped in …
lol! Great stuff!

An entertaining bacth of replies, some very good recommendations though! Hartford..etc

I'll definitely check out the Roskilde footage

Listened to the "Out of Control" Demos again last night, and had on some tracks frm Brixton 7 December '84 - the songs did have quite a lot of promise; 'Dictator' is a great example. I love the version on the live bootlegs, and it sounds good too on the Demos; on the album it's absolutely bizarre! Unlistenable with some radio on in the background and mis-placed horn sections. Hard to hear the actual original song under all of that

'We are the Clash' - though I like the music, it's a bit cheesy, but, again, held promise; not radically diff on album compared to Live versions.

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Re: Clash MK II - Best Boots (and a new Appreciation!)

Post by matedog » 11 Dec 2013, 11:21am

IrelandCalling wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:And the new guy begins wondering what breed of dog created the shit he just stepped in …
lol! Great stuff!

An entertaining bacth of replies, some very good recommendations though! Hartford..etc

I'll definitely check out the Roskilde footage

Listened to the "Out of Control" Demos again last night, and had on some tracks frm Brixton 7 December '84 - the songs did have quite a lot of promise; 'Dictator' is a great example. I love the version on the live bootlegs, and it sounds good too on the Demos; on the album it's absolutely bizarre! Unlistenable with some radio on in the background and mis-placed horn sections. Hard to hear the actual original song under all of that

'We are the Clash' - though I like the music, it's a bit cheesy, but, again, held promise; not radically diff on album compared to Live versions.
Side question - did you ever hear our Cut the Crap tribute album?
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: Clash MK II - Best Boots (and a new Appreciation!)

Post by Heston » 11 Dec 2013, 12:00pm

matedog wrote:
IrelandCalling wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:And the new guy begins wondering what breed of dog created the shit he just stepped in …
lol! Great stuff!

An entertaining bacth of replies, some very good recommendations though! Hartford..etc

I'll definitely check out the Roskilde footage

Listened to the "Out of Control" Demos again last night, and had on some tracks frm Brixton 7 December '84 - the songs did have quite a lot of promise; 'Dictator' is a great example. I love the version on the live bootlegs, and it sounds good too on the Demos; on the album it's absolutely bizarre! Unlistenable with some radio on in the background and mis-placed horn sections. Hard to hear the actual original song under all of that

'We are the Clash' - though I like the music, it's a bit cheesy, but, again, held promise; not radically diff on album compared to Live versions.
Side question - did you ever hear our Cut the Crap tribute album?
C'mon Matey, the guy has just arrived, don't scare him off so soon.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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Re: Clash MK II - Best Boots (and a new Appreciation!)

Post by dave202 » 11 Dec 2013, 3:26pm

:lol:
Heston wrote:
matedog wrote:
IrelandCalling wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:And the new guy begins wondering what breed of dog created the shit he just stepped in …
lol! Great stuff!

An entertaining bacth of replies, some very good recommendations though! Hartford..etc

I'll definitely check out the Roskilde footage

Listened to the "Out of Control" Demos again last night, and had on some tracks frm Brixton 7 December '84 - the songs did have quite a lot of promise; 'Dictator' is a great example. I love the version on the live bootlegs, and it sounds good too on the Demos; on the album it's absolutely bizarre! Unlistenable with some radio on in the background and mis-placed horn sections. Hard to hear the actual original song under all of that

'We are the Clash' - though I like the music, it's a bit cheesy, but, again, held promise; not radically diff on album compared to Live versions.
Side question - did you ever hear our Cut the Crap tribute album?
C'mon Matey, the guy has just arrived, don't scare him off so soon.
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Re: Clash MK II - Best Boots (and a new Appreciation!)

Post by IrelandCalling » 12 Dec 2013, 4:42am

lol! Have never heard your 'Cut the Crap' tribute album matedog, but reading between the lines of the comment after it sounds like something that should...nay, MUST...be heard!

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Re: Clash MK II - Best Boots (and a new Appreciation!)

Post by dave202 » 12 Dec 2013, 10:30am

Chuck Mangione wrote:Anything over the Exploited.
I agree on the music, but when they first appeared on TOTP I was absolutely gobsmacked and thought it was an incredible comedy stunt. A year or so later I met the 'singer' (was it Wattie?) and the guitarist, and they were alright, not quite what I had expected (and I know we shouldn't have preconceptions, but... I'm only human). The big boy on guitar went on to play with Nirvana on their last gigs, proving there was talent buried within.

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