When I do my MTV lecture, I mention the pressure of video on older musicians to look younger. To illustrate it, I show photos of The Who and Yes in the early 80s, with the perfect haircuts and trim suits.revbob wrote: ↑06 Apr 2023, 9:58amDr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Apr 2023, 4:14pmI'm curious whether that's part of a revisionist pattern—of significant artists from the 60s whose 80s releases were initially praised but have subsequently been considered bad trend chasing. Because my rough impression is that established artists really looked foolish in the 80s while seeking to be contemporary.
The Rolling Stones song you're thinking about right now thread
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Did a deep dive into Tattoo You and this one is a banger. What I find particularly interesting is Charlie Watts' performance. It is so ramshackle throughout, sounding like he's just about to fall apart. It is such a hard style to emulate. For a generally tight jazz drummer, his rock drumming is so weird and this particular song is so shambolic and I love it.
This video, however, is pretty awful.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
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I'm thinking how AI could make Micks voice back to 1972 and they they could finish up those outtakes and demos from that time period.
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Top track good choice Matey.matedog wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 12:20pm
Did a deep dive into Tattoo You and this one is a banger. What I find particularly interesting is Charlie Watts' performance. It is so ramshackle throughout, sounding like he's just about to fall apart. It is such a hard style to emulate. For a generally tight jazz drummer, his rock drumming is so weird and this particular song is so shambolic and I love it.
This video, however, is pretty awful.
Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
"Without the common people you're nothing"
Nos Sumus Una Familia
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This is another great one from Tattoo You.
It's originally from the Black and Blue sessions, so that's not actually Ronnie playing the solo he's "playing" in the video. Wayne Perkins, I believe.
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I really liked Jagger's recent theme tune for the fantastic "Slow Horses" tv series.
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Just started this series. Yep that a very decent theme tune. Mick sounds great.
Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
"Without the common people you're nothing"
Nos Sumus Una Familia
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Another one that shines at the Mocambo show:WestwayKid wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 4:33pm
This is another great one from Tattoo You.
It's originally from the Black and Blue sessions, so that's not actually Ronnie playing the solo he's "playing" in the video. Wayne Perkins, I believe.
Though Mick's falsetto never does much for me. Seems to do it less on this version.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
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That Mocambo show in general is really freakin' awesome. When we were in Toronto in 2019 I went and visited it (having some time to kill). There was also a killer poutine stand across the street.matedog wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 5:13pmAnother one that shines at the Mocambo show:WestwayKid wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 4:33pm
This is another great one from Tattoo You.
It's originally from the Black and Blue sessions, so that's not actually Ronnie playing the solo he's "playing" in the video. Wayne Perkins, I believe.
Though Mick's falsetto never does much for me. Seems to do it less on this version.
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I think what's great is that by 1977... they were somewhat written off, but here is this tight set played in a small club in Toronto. For that moment (at least), they sounded relevant in a musical world that was rapidly changing. I think that's one thing I've always dug about them. When I saw them in 2021 they were still wonderfully ragged. It wasn't like seeing Pink Floyd in the end where they had 20 musicians on stage... it was still just a 5 piece (with the awesome Darryl Jones and Steve Jordan). Old warhorses like Satisfaction still had a pounding, punk vitality to them. I know they're rich beyond belief, but somehow they haven't quite lost touch with where they started out. There are bands and musicians where it's like hey, it's time to stop. I will legit be sad when the Stones finally cease to be.matedog wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 5:13pmAnother one that shines at the Mocambo show:WestwayKid wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 4:33pm
This is another great one from Tattoo You.
It's originally from the Black and Blue sessions, so that's not actually Ronnie playing the solo he's "playing" in the video. Wayne Perkins, I believe.
Though Mick's falsetto never does much for me. Seems to do it less on this version.
Also, as much as I loved Charlie... Steve Jordan has breathed some fire back into their live act. He doesn't deviate from Charlie's playing, but he also brings in his own style and he's a powerful, propulsive drummer.
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Yeah, this is solid. Mick has somewhat of a Dorian Gray quality to him. His voice hasn't changed/aged much and he still moves really well on stage. Also, he's one of the few old time rock stars who can manage to sound current.
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This is from the show I saw. There are plenty (or too many) younger bands who don't bring this kind of energy.
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I previously dug into Undercover in my attempt to work my way through the band's later history. Today I'm looking at Dirty Work. Dirty Work takes the Jagger/Richards divide from Undercover to its breaking point. Charlie Watts was addicted to booze and heroin. He's credited with playing drums, but Steve Jordan (who would ultimately replace him following his death) and Anton Fig (who once drummed for Kiss) apparently play on some of the tracks.
Side A
1) One Hit (to the Body) - This is probably the strongest track on the album. The playing is tight, though a bit too glossy. There is a guitar solo from a guesting Jimmy Page. Charlie's drumming is rock solid. This song is a bit deceptive because the band sounds more alive than they actually were. 3.5/5
2) Fight - This is a nice little rocker. It's simple, driven by some classic Keith riffs. 2.5/5
3) Harlem Shuffle - Here we get our first cover. It's listenable but also disposable. This is the Stones going through the motions. 2/5
4) Hold Back - I like this one, even if the drum sounds way too 80's. It's a tough track. Jagger snarls the vocal and the guitar playing is great, with Wood and Richards trading licks back and forth. 3/5
5) Here is the second cover, a Richards sung cover of a reggae classic. Minimal production, but it's subtly charming. 3/5
...and that's as far as I can get right now. Side B coming sometime in the future...
So far, it's been a better listen than I remembered. Clearly not their best, but not garbage bin awful, either.
Side A
1) One Hit (to the Body) - This is probably the strongest track on the album. The playing is tight, though a bit too glossy. There is a guitar solo from a guesting Jimmy Page. Charlie's drumming is rock solid. This song is a bit deceptive because the band sounds more alive than they actually were. 3.5/5
2) Fight - This is a nice little rocker. It's simple, driven by some classic Keith riffs. 2.5/5
3) Harlem Shuffle - Here we get our first cover. It's listenable but also disposable. This is the Stones going through the motions. 2/5
4) Hold Back - I like this one, even if the drum sounds way too 80's. It's a tough track. Jagger snarls the vocal and the guitar playing is great, with Wood and Richards trading licks back and forth. 3/5
5) Here is the second cover, a Richards sung cover of a reggae classic. Minimal production, but it's subtly charming. 3/5
...and that's as far as I can get right now. Side B coming sometime in the future...
So far, it's been a better listen than I remembered. Clearly not their best, but not garbage bin awful, either.
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Ouch, that's brutal, but hilarious.
God, what a mess, on the ladder of success
Where you take one step and miss the whole first rung
Where you take one step and miss the whole first rung