The Rolling Stones song you're thinking about right now thread

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Silent Majority wrote:
30 Apr 2020, 3:01pm
I always find this shit fun, no matter how many times I see it. Charlie Watts is 78. 78 years before he was born was 1863, and Robert E Lee was most likely going to win against the Union.
Charlie Harper U.K. Subs frontman is 75.

...and Jet Black Stranglers drummer is 81.
Though he no longer tours with the band he still does studio work.
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Marky Dread wrote:
30 Apr 2020, 3:50pm
Silent Majority wrote:
30 Apr 2020, 3:01pm
I always find this shit fun, no matter how many times I see it. Charlie Watts is 78. 78 years before he was born was 1863, and Robert E Lee was most likely going to win against the Union.
Charlie Harper U.K. Subs frontman is 75.

...and Jet Black Stranglers drummer is 81.
Though he no longer tours with the band he still does studio work.
Elvis would 85 if he had made it this far. Didn't even make it halfway there, but 85 is a very achievable age.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Silent Majority wrote:
30 Apr 2020, 3:01pm
I always find this shit fun, no matter how many times I see it. Charlie Watts is 78. 78 years before he was born was 1863, and Robert E Lee was most likely going to win against the Union.
I find his long hair period off putting:
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Like he's trying to not look 78 but failing miserably.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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I'm liking that new stones song more and more
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matedog wrote:
30 Apr 2020, 6:48pm
Silent Majority wrote:
30 Apr 2020, 3:01pm
I always find this shit fun, no matter how many times I see it. Charlie Watts is 78. 78 years before he was born was 1863, and Robert E Lee was most likely going to win against the Union.
I find his long hair period off putting:
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Like he's trying to not look 78 but failing miserably.
And all this time, I've been smoking harmless tobacco!
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Flex wrote:
30 Apr 2020, 9:28pm
I'm liking that new stones song more and more
I think it's brilliant. It's not trying too hard and it just sounds natural. Micks vocals are great.
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Marky Dread wrote:
01 May 2020, 3:46am
Flex wrote:
30 Apr 2020, 9:28pm
I'm liking that new stones song more and more
I think it's brilliant. It's not trying too hard and it just sounds natural. Micks vocals are great.
Agreed. And all of the hyper contemporary lyrics have the timeless quality the best of the Stones has.
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matedog wrote:
30 Apr 2020, 6:48pm
Silent Majority wrote:
30 Apr 2020, 3:01pm
I always find this shit fun, no matter how many times I see it. Charlie Watts is 78. 78 years before he was born was 1863, and Robert E Lee was most likely going to win against the Union.
I find his long hair period off putting:
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Like he's trying to not look 78 but failing miserably.
Gah, he looks like Roger Waters here and I was triggered.
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matedog wrote:
30 Apr 2020, 6:48pm
Silent Majority wrote:
30 Apr 2020, 3:01pm
I always find this shit fun, no matter how many times I see it. Charlie Watts is 78. 78 years before he was born was 1863, and Robert E Lee was most likely going to win against the Union.
I find his long hair period off putting:
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Like he's trying to not look 78 but failing miserably.
He probably was miserable. This shot is from Brian's funeral in July '69. Only Charlie, Bill and Stu attended. Mick & Keith couldn't be arsed, apparently.
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Thoughts on Brown Sugar?

A big hit for the band, but some problematic lyrics. Mick claims he wrote the lyrics on the spot (in about 30 minutes) at Muscle Shoals. I obviously don't know Mick Jagger personally, but I do not feel Mick Jagger is at all racist.

So, what to make the lyrics?

I think they were probably a bit careless, especially the opening part about the slaver. I think, however, there are elements of Mick's life at the time that come through. The song is at its core about interracial love (again, it should be stated not written with the most care). Mick was involved with Marsha Hunt at the time (she would give birth to his daughter in 1970) and he has stated the song was definitely inspired by his budding affair with her.

I have heard African-American and white writers slam the song, but I have heard African-American and white writers defend it.

I have "woke" friends who ask me how I can like the Stones when they wrote such an offensive song. I readily admit that Mick could have been more careful with the lyrics (and he does change some of the lyrics when he performs it live these days), but I also point out that the it's unfair to cancel the band's entire catalog because of this song.

I should maybe point out that Mick wrote "Sweet Black Angel" for Angela Davis on Exile.

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I got schooled once by a black woman for not knowing what the fuck the song was about, and I've been guilted about it ever since. I don't think the Stones had ill intent with the lyrics, but the implications just age worse and worse over time. With so many other great tunes by the band, I just never need to reach for this one.
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Flex wrote:
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I got schooled once by a black woman for not knowing what the fuck the song was about, and I've been guilted about it ever since. I don't think the Stones had ill intent with the lyrics, but the implications just age worse and worse over time. With so many other great tunes by the band, I just never need to reach for this one.
The opening verse is not great. It has aged poorly and really never was in good taste. It’s sloppy, but I have a hard time with people calling the song outright racist. I don’t think it is and I’m not being a Jagger apologist. I think the song was thrown together and influenced by the fact that he was having affair with two African-American women at the time he wrote it. This doesn’t make the lyrics okay. They’re not, but I also don’t feel it’s as awful as some people want to make it out to be.
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To be honest for years I assumed it was about heroin addicted using metaphors.

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No idea why Mick wrote the lyrics to "Brown Sugar" the way he did but surely it's not wrong to write about something that happened in history.

I don't like the lyric but also can't see that it's in defence of slavery. The lyric comes across as sloppy and ill thought but is it really racist? I don't think so.

Until there is some explanation from it's author it's a case of simply not knowing the meaning.

I always took those lyrics to be describing all the taboo subjects. Drugs/sex/etc.

Great tune poor ill conceived lyrics.
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