Marky Dread wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 8:29amhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_LoganDr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 6:38amHave I been insulted or complimented? I have a horrible feeling it's the former.Marky Dread wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 4:38amDr. Medulla goes into full on Brosette mode.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑24 May 2023, 2:11pmI agree. The split was unjust, but I can't believe that it took years and years for the rhythm section to discover this. More likely knowing that as long as the band is rolling they could hold their tongue (to be a good team player, fear of being replaced), but once it was over, self-interest manifests in a different way.oliver wrote: ↑24 May 2023, 1:55pm
I enjoyed the read but I'm not sure I agree with this bit:
In court, Morrissey and Marr produced a number of documents showing them as having signed any/all contracts and often them being witnessed by Mike Joyce. His defence was that he didn't understand what he was signing. Also, Andy was friends with Johnny since school days, I find it a little hard to accept that he didn't know the deal either.
I don't mean to say I think 40/40/10/10 was right because my idealized view is them all living in a house together like The Monkees and being BFFs but I do think it's more likely they were aware of the situation than not.
It's not a widely acknowledged principle, but the world rejects the idea of people named Craig getting an equal cut of anything.As an aside, shouldn't it have gone 20/20/20/20/20 when Craig Gannon joined if the deal was an equal split?
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I had assumed he just faded into obscurity after Bros. Seems like getting out was the best decision he made.
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You started it wise man.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 8:32amMarky Dread wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 8:29amhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_LoganDr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 6:38amHave I been insulted or complimented? I have a horrible feeling it's the former.Marky Dread wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 4:38amDr. Medulla goes into full on Brosette mode.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑24 May 2023, 2:11pm
I agree. The split was unjust, but I can't believe that it took years and years for the rhythm section to discover this. More likely knowing that as long as the band is rolling they could hold their tongue (to be a good team player, fear of being replaced), but once it was over, self-interest manifests in a different way.
It's not a widely acknowledged principle, but the world rejects the idea of people named Craig getting an equal cut of anything.
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I never imagined being shivved on the topic of a Craig.Marky Dread wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 11:06amYou started it wise man.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 8:32amMarky Dread wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 8:29amhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_LoganDr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 6:38amHave I been insulted or complimented? I have a horrible feeling it's the former.
"the idea of people named Craig getting an equal cut of anything"
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Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 11:28amI never imagined being shivved on the topic of a Craig.Marky Dread wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 11:06amYou started it wise man.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 8:32amMarky Dread wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 8:29amhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_LoganDr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 6:38am
Have I been insulted or complimented? I have a horrible feeling it's the former.
"the idea of people named Craig getting an equal cut of anything"
Forces have been looting
My humanity
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I've always found it interesting that early on in his solo days... Morrissey didn't immediately cut ties with his former bandmates.
Take a look at who is backing him on this video:
I see Rourke, Joyce, and Gannon.
Andy Rourke even threw his hat in the ring as a potential songwriting partner.
Take a look at who is backing him on this video:
I see Rourke, Joyce, and Gannon.
Andy Rourke even threw his hat in the ring as a potential songwriting partner.
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Probably not that surprising given that it was Marr who jumped ship, not Morrissey, and the latter was, perhaps, uncertain about how viable a career without Marr would be, so early on he kept close those he knew. Working with Vini Reilly, tho, is still the strangest, boldest partnership he's pursued.WestwayKid wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 12:13pmI've always found it interesting that early on in his solo days... Morrissey didn't immediately cut ties with his former bandmates.
Take a look at who is backing him on this video:
I see Rourke, Joyce, and Gannon.
Andy Rourke even threw his hat in the ring as a potential songwriting partner.
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VR was brought in by Stephen Street (as was Andrew Paresi on drums) but no doubt he'd have been out if Morrissey took any kind of dislike.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 12:29pmProbably not that surprising given that it was Marr who jumped ship, not Morrissey, and the latter was, perhaps, uncertain about how viable a career without Marr would be, so early on he kept close those he knew. Working with Vini Reilly, tho, is still the strangest, boldest partnership he's pursued.
Andy's co-write on "Girl Least Likely To" is one of my favourite Moz songs (ignoring that's it totally borrowed from The Cookies 'Only to Other People')
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If you can get past his comedy 'stylings' this is an enjoyable video about the drums on Disappointed by Paresi.
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At that point, I'm not sure Morrissey would have been willing to overrule Street, who wrote the music. Was he used to overruling musicians in the Smiths? And his footing at that point would have been uncertain. So, yeah, my use of "pursued" is inapt. Without Street, he's probably as likely to bring back the other Smiths for his first album.oliver wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 12:38pmVR was brought in by Stephen Street (as was Andrew Paresi on drums) but no doubt he'd have been out if Morrissey took any kind of dislike.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 12:29pmProbably not that surprising given that it was Marr who jumped ship, not Morrissey, and the latter was, perhaps, uncertain about how viable a career without Marr would be, so early on he kept close those he knew. Working with Vini Reilly, tho, is still the strangest, boldest partnership he's pursued.
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I think it was less that he overruled musicians in the Smiths than that he would simply not write the lyrics for a song he didn't care for.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 12:44pmAt that point, I'm not sure Morrissey would have been willing to overrule Street, who wrote the music. Was he used to overruling musicians in the Smiths? And his footing at that point would have been uncertain. So, yeah, my use of "pursued" is inapt. Without Street, he's probably as likely to bring back the other Smiths for his first album.oliver wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 12:38pmVR was brought in by Stephen Street (as was Andrew Paresi on drums) but no doubt he'd have been out if Morrissey took any kind of dislike.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 12:29pmProbably not that surprising given that it was Marr who jumped ship, not Morrissey, and the latter was, perhaps, uncertain about how viable a career without Marr would be, so early on he kept close those he knew. Working with Vini Reilly, tho, is still the strangest, boldest partnership he's pursued.
On the Reilly tip, he's on record as disagreeing strongly with Street over songwriting credits on Viva Hate.
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According to Street, Reilly has now retracted those claims.Kory wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 1:11pmI think it was less that he overruled musicians in the Smiths than that he would simply not write the lyrics for a song he didn't care for.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 12:44pmAt that point, I'm not sure Morrissey would have been willing to overrule Street, who wrote the music. Was he used to overruling musicians in the Smiths? And his footing at that point would have been uncertain. So, yeah, my use of "pursued" is inapt. Without Street, he's probably as likely to bring back the other Smiths for his first album.oliver wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 12:38pmVR was brought in by Stephen Street (as was Andrew Paresi on drums) but no doubt he'd have been out if Morrissey took any kind of dislike.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑25 May 2023, 12:29pmProbably not that surprising given that it was Marr who jumped ship, not Morrissey, and the latter was, perhaps, uncertain about how viable a career without Marr would be, so early on he kept close those he knew. Working with Vini Reilly, tho, is still the strangest, boldest partnership he's pursued.
On the Reilly tip, he's on record as disagreeing strongly with Street over songwriting credits on Viva Hate.
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While it's clearly VR's style of playing—as distinctive a guitarist I can think of—there's nothing in The Durutti Column's catalogue that sounds as "conventional" as Viva Hate. How much he altered Street's original ideas, I haven't a clue, but I don't doubt for a second that Street brought the bulk of the music to the table. Still, VR's such an obvious sound should mean a co-writing credit.
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