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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Silent Majority » 29 Jan 2019, 2:48pm

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It is an interesting debate and I don’t have an answer other than personal preference which isn’t consistent.
I believe no Mick no Clash. I think Mick was too integral to all that was good about the Clash, their point of difference.
But my view of the Specials isn’t consistent. The 6 of the original line up (not including Rico / Dick) sounded the same without Jerry although he was all over the songs they played but I considered them the Specials. There were other releases under the Specials name I don’t consider to be the Specials (without Terry singing) and now they have a new album I do consider to be the Specials (kind of / just) even though there are only 3 of them.
Can’t justify my inconsistency it is what it is.
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Haha yes I tend to go with the singer side of the argument. You can play the same piano notes or guitar chords but you can’t sing someone else’s voice.
I agree with this, but only to an extent. The counter argument is a worthwhile musician's timbre. For an easy example, compare Mick Jones playing Clash songs to the sleepy bee sound of the Mescaleros guitarist playing them.
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by WestwayKid » 29 Jan 2019, 2:48pm

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I like how New Order handled it. They carried on as a "new" band following Ian Curtis' death and established their own legacy before playing Joy Division songs again.
I find them still trading under the New Order brand with Hooky out is a bit unseemly. His bass sound is so clearly part of the NO thing that his absence just ain't right. Even tho that album w/o him was pretty good.
It is tough to see them without him - but having seen the Peter Hook-less New Order in concert twice - they still sound fantastic and Tom Chapman does a great job of sounding like him. Guess it's easier to replace a signature instrument than it is to replace a signature voice.
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by 101Walterton » 29 Jan 2019, 2:55pm

Marky Dread wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 2:45pm
101Walterton wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 2:39pm
Marky Dread wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 2:37pm
101Walterton wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 2:34pm
It is an interesting debate and I don’t have an answer other than personal preference which isn’t consistent.
I believe no Mick no Clash. I think Mick was too integral to all that was good about the Clash, their point of difference.
But my view of the Specials isn’t consistent. The 6 of the original line up (not including Rico / Dick) sounded the same without Jerry although he was all over the songs they played but I considered them the Specials. There were other releases under the Specials name I don’t consider to be the Specials (without Terry singing) and now they have a new album I do consider to be the Specials (kind of / just) even though there are only 3 of them.
Can’t justify my inconsistency it is what it is.
...a clue.
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Haha yes I tend to go with the singer side of the argument. You can play the same piano notes or guitar chords but you can’t sing someone else’s voice.
Apparently you can.
Shit that is good and yes he does sound like Terry.
Marky did you hear about Rankin Roger?

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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Marky Dread » 29 Jan 2019, 2:55pm

101Walterton wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 2:55pm
Marky Dread wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 2:45pm
101Walterton wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 2:39pm
Marky Dread wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 2:37pm
101Walterton wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 2:34pm
It is an interesting debate and I don’t have an answer other than personal preference which isn’t consistent.
I believe no Mick no Clash. I think Mick was too integral to all that was good about the Clash, their point of difference.
But my view of the Specials isn’t consistent. The 6 of the original line up (not including Rico / Dick) sounded the same without Jerry although he was all over the songs they played but I considered them the Specials. There were other releases under the Specials name I don’t consider to be the Specials (without Terry singing) and now they have a new album I do consider to be the Specials (kind of / just) even though there are only 3 of them.
Can’t justify my inconsistency it is what it is.
...a clue.
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Haha yes I tend to go with the singer side of the argument. You can play the same piano notes or guitar chords but you can’t sing someone else’s voice.
Apparently you can.
Shit that is good and yes he does sound like Terry.
Marky did you hear about Rankin Roger?
No what's happened to RR?
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by WestwayKid » 29 Jan 2019, 3:00pm

Marky Dread wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 2:55pm
101Walterton wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 2:55pm
Marky Dread wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 2:45pm
101Walterton wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 2:39pm
Marky Dread wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 2:37pm


...a clue.
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Haha yes I tend to go with the singer side of the argument. You can play the same piano notes or guitar chords but you can’t sing someone else’s voice.
Apparently you can.
Shit that is good and yes he does sound like Terry.
Marky did you hear about Rankin Roger?
No what's happened to RR?
I read that he was pretty sick - brain tumors & lung cancer...but he posted a video where he talks about his illnesses and it sounds like it might be treatable?
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Marky Dread » 29 Jan 2019, 3:01pm

WestwayKid wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 3:00pm
Marky Dread wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 2:55pm
101Walterton wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 2:55pm
Marky Dread wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 2:45pm
101Walterton wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 2:39pm


Haha yes I tend to go with the singer side of the argument. You can play the same piano notes or guitar chords but you can’t sing someone else’s voice.
Apparently you can.
Shit that is good and yes he does sound like Terry.
Marky did you hear about Rankin Roger?
No what's happened to RR?
I read that he's pretty sick - brain tumors & lung cancer... :meh:
Damn. Fuck cancer!
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by 101Walterton » 29 Jan 2019, 3:06pm

Marky Dread wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 3:01pm
WestwayKid wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 3:00pm
Marky Dread wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 2:55pm
101Walterton wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 2:55pm
Marky Dread wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 2:45pm


Apparently you can.
Shit that is good and yes he does sound like Terry.
Marky did you hear about Rankin Roger?
No what's happened to RR?
I read that he's pretty sick - brain tumors & lung cancer... :meh:
Damn. Fuck cancer!
Yes he had a seizure and they found 2 brain tumours one of which he had removed. He started chemo for lung cancer but that caused another seizure so he is having different treatment

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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Marky Dread » 29 Jan 2019, 3:46pm

101Walterton wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 3:06pm
Marky Dread wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 3:01pm
WestwayKid wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 3:00pm
Marky Dread wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 2:55pm
101Walterton wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 2:55pm


Shit that is good and yes he does sound like Terry.
Marky did you hear about Rankin Roger?
No what's happened to RR?
I read that he's pretty sick - brain tumors & lung cancer... :meh:
Damn. Fuck cancer!
Yes he had a seizure and they found 2 brain tumours one of which he had removed. He started chemo for lung cancer but that caused another seizure so he is having different treatment
Can only wish him well.
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Flex » 29 Jan 2019, 9:01pm

I saw the Dead Boys last year with a replacement singer for Stiv Bators and a replacement guitarist for Jimmy Zero, but with Cheetah Chrome and Johnny Blitz still in it. Wasn't a "real" Dead Boys show by my instincts, but it was a great fuckin' time. When I've seen Brian, he's always been playing with more official members of the Beach Boys than the Mike Love Boys official version (and I think the 50th reunion shows were The Real Deal despite being down a couple Wilsons).

I saw a pre-Riot Fest Reunion lineup of the Misfits that was Jerry Only and a bunch of nobodies and it was unbearable. I wouldn't even say that I saw a "real" post-Danzig Misfits lineup, previous iterations of which usually at least had some other good band members.

Seeing Wayne Kramer tour as the MC50 supergroup was a great way to split the difference - something more than a cover band but not pretending to be The Real Deal. I think From The Jam is a similar situation.

A couple bands I recall having no original members left: the Cro-Mags and Napalm Death. The latter still puts on an insanely good show and those early lineups were so volatile that I don't hold it against them. I'm not sure how or why the Cro-Mags are still an ongoing affair, tho.
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Dr. Medulla » 29 Jan 2019, 9:24pm

I remember reading once that Quiet Riot (a) still exists and (b) contains zero original members, and only the drummer is left from its Metal Health most popular period (so, like zero musicians [luv ya, Hoy]). Best case, Quiet Riot is a concept greater than its membership; worst case, it's a self-tribute band.
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by revbob » 29 Jan 2019, 11:08pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 9:24pm
I remember reading once that Quiet Riot (a) still exists and (b) contains zero original members, and only the drummer is left from its Metal Health most popular period (so, like zero musicians [luv ya, Hoy]). Best case, Quiet Riot is a concept greater than its membership; worst case, it's a self-tribute band.
I saw part of a "rockumentary" about them a few years ago and like the next day saw the drummer at an airport in Texas. It was weird.

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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by BostonBeaneater » 30 Jan 2019, 2:41am

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29 Jan 2019, 11:08pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 9:24pm
I remember reading once that Quiet Riot (a) still exists and (b) contains zero original members, and only the drummer is left from its Metal Health most popular period (so, like zero musicians [luv ya, Hoy]). Best case, Quiet Riot is a concept greater than its membership; worst case, it's a self-tribute band.
I saw part of a "rockumentary" about them a few years ago and like the next day saw the drummer at an airport in Texas. It was weird.
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Dr. Medulla » 30 Jan 2019, 6:03am

revbob wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 11:08pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 9:24pm
I remember reading once that Quiet Riot (a) still exists and (b) contains zero original members, and only the drummer is left from its Metal Health most popular period (so, like zero musicians [luv ya, Hoy]). Best case, Quiet Riot is a concept greater than its membership; worst case, it's a self-tribute band.
I saw part of a "rockumentary" about them a few years ago and like the next day saw the drummer at an airport in Texas. It was weird.
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by Marky Dread » 30 Jan 2019, 8:13am

Dr. Medulla wrote:
30 Jan 2019, 6:03am
revbob wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 11:08pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 9:24pm
I remember reading once that Quiet Riot (a) still exists and (b) contains zero original members, and only the drummer is left from its Metal Health most popular period (so, like zero musicians [luv ya, Hoy]). Best case, Quiet Riot is a concept greater than its membership; worst case, it's a self-tribute band.
I saw part of a "rockumentary" about them a few years ago and like the next day saw the drummer at an airport in Texas. It was weird.
Did he give you extra garlic bread with your order?
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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...

Post by WestwayKid » 30 Jan 2019, 12:49pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 9:24pm
I remember reading once that Quiet Riot (a) still exists and (b) contains zero original members, and only the drummer is left from its Metal Health most popular period (so, like zero musicians [luv ya, Hoy]). Best case, Quiet Riot is a concept greater than its membership; worst case, it's a self-tribute band.
I actually saw Quiet Riot live in maybe 1998-99!? They played a local rock club in Milwaukee and for some reason we ended up there. I'm not a metal guy - but it was tolerable. That said - it was the complete Metal Health lineup.
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