If Music Could Talk

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 12:46pm

Heston wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 12:09pm

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 12:03pm

WestwayKid wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 11:48am

It does raise the question of can we separate the artist from the art and should we even if we could?

Okay each to his own on this but I have no problem liking music made some bloody terrible people. Gary Glitter is a classic example to me an absolute disgrace of a human being. However I'm not going into denial to say I don't enjoy those classic 70s singles. Besides he was the vocalists and there was a whole band of musicians who made those songs why should they suffer from people boycotting the sales of stuff they worked hard on. I'm certain they have famillies to feed as well.

Look at all the debauchery that has gone on in the name of Rock 'n' Roll. So no more Chuck Berry/Jerry Lee Lewis/Led Zeppelin/Sex Pistols the list of greats goes on forever.

This is generally my opinion but there are some whose crimes are so heinous that I don't think they should ever be played on tv or radio. Lost Prophets and Gary Glitter spring to mind.

I'm not saying you are wrong but where do you draw a line in the sand.? There must be hundreds probably thousands of songs you like by people who have done some awful crimes.

Heston wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 12:52pm

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 12:46pm

Heston wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 12:09pm

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 12:03pm

WestwayKid wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 11:48am

It does raise the question of can we separate the artist from the art and should we even if we could?

Okay each to his own on this but I have no problem liking music made some bloody terrible people. Gary Glitter is a classic example to me an absolute disgrace of a human being. However I'm not going into denial to say I don't enjoy those classic 70s singles. Besides he was the vocalists and there was a whole band of musicians who made those songs why should they suffer from people boycotting the sales of stuff they worked hard on. I'm certain they have famillies to feed as well.

Look at all the debauchery that has gone on in the name of Rock 'n' Roll. So no more Chuck Berry/Jerry Lee Lewis/Led Zeppelin/Sex Pistols the list of greats goes on forever.

This is generally my opinion but there are some whose crimes are so heinous that I don't think they should ever be played on tv or radio. Lost Prophets and Gary Glitter spring to mind.

I'm not saying you are wrong but where do you draw a line in the sand.? There must be hundreds probably thousands of songs you like by people who have done some awful crimes.

My line in the sand is GG and the Lost Prophets. GG wasn't just done for the stuff on his computer, he is currently serving a very long sentence for abusing children.

Heston wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 12:52pm

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 12:46pm

Heston wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 12:09pm

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 12:03pm

WestwayKid wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 11:48am

It does raise the question of can we separate the artist from the art and should we even if we could?

Okay each to his own on this but I have no problem liking music made some bloody terrible people. Gary Glitter is a classic example to me an absolute disgrace of a human being. However I'm not going into denial to say I don't enjoy those classic 70s singles. Besides he was the vocalists and there was a whole band of musicians who made those songs why should they suffer from people boycotting the sales of stuff they worked hard on. I'm certain they have famillies to feed as well.

Look at all the debauchery that has gone on in the name of Rock 'n' Roll. So no more Chuck Berry/Jerry Lee Lewis/Led Zeppelin/Sex Pistols the list of greats goes on forever.

This is generally my opinion but there are some whose crimes are so heinous that I don't think they should ever be played on tv or radio. Lost Prophets and Gary Glitter spring to mind.

I'm not saying you are wrong but where do you draw a line in the sand.? There must be hundreds probably thousands of songs you like by people who have done some awful crimes.

My line in the sand is GG and the Lost Prophets. GG wasn't just done for the stuff on his computer, he is currently serving a very long sentence for abusing children.

JennyB wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 1:03pm

Heston wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 12:52pm

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 12:46pm

Heston wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 12:09pm

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 12:03pm

Okay each to his own on this but I have no problem liking music made some bloody terrible people. Gary Glitter is a classic example to me an absolute disgrace of a human being. However I'm not going into denial to say I don't enjoy those classic 70s singles. Besides he was the vocalists and there was a whole band of musicians who made those songs why should they suffer from people boycotting the sales of stuff they worked hard on. I'm certain they have famillies to feed as well.

Look at all the debauchery that has gone on in the name of Rock 'n' Roll. So no more Chuck Berry/Jerry Lee Lewis/Led Zeppelin/Sex Pistols the list of greats goes on forever.

This is generally my opinion but there are some whose crimes are so heinous that I don't think they should ever be played on tv or radio. Lost Prophets and Gary Glitter spring to mind.

I'm not saying you are wrong but where do you draw a line in the sand.? There must be hundreds probably thousands of songs you like by people who have done some awful crimes.

My line in the sand is GG and the Lost Prophets. GG wasn't just done for the stuff on his computer, he is currently serving a very long sentence for abusing children.

Pardon my ignorance - who are Lost Prophets and what did they do?

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 1:09pm

JennyB wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 1:03pm

Heston wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 12:52pm

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 12:46pm

Heston wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 12:09pm

This is generally my opinion but there are some whose crimes are so heinous that I don't think they should ever be played on tv or radio. Lost Prophets and Gary Glitter spring to mind.

I'm not saying you are wrong but where do you draw a line in the sand.? There must be hundreds probably thousands of songs you like by people who have done some awful crimes.

My line in the sand is GG and the Lost Prophets. GG wasn't just done for the stuff on his computer, he is currently serving a very long sentence for abusing children.

Pardon my ignorance - who are Lost Prophets and what did they do?

Lead singer was done for paedophilia.

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 1:08pm

Heston wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 12:52pm

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 12:46pm

Heston wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 12:09pm

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 12:03pm

Okay each to his own on this but I have no problem liking music made some bloody terrible people. Gary Glitter is a classic example to me an absolute disgrace of a human being. However I'm not going into denial to say I don't enjoy those classic 70s singles. Besides he was the vocalists and there was a whole band of musicians who made those songs why should they suffer from people boycotting the sales of stuff they worked hard on. I'm certain they have famillies to feed as well.

Look at all the debauchery that has gone on in the name of Rock 'n' Roll. So no more Chuck Berry/Jerry Lee Lewis/Led Zeppelin/Sex Pistols the list of greats goes on forever.

This is generally my opinion but there are some whose crimes are so heinous that I don't think they should ever be played on tv or radio. Lost Prophets and Gary Glitter spring to mind.

I'm not saying you are wrong but where do you draw a line in the sand.? There must be hundreds probably thousands of songs you like by people who have done some awful crimes.

My line in the sand is GG and the Lost Prophets. GG wasn't just done for the stuff on his computer, he is currently serving a very long sentence for abusing children.

Not exactly what I was getting at mate. I've already mentioned what I think about Glitter and yep he is a despicable character same for the guy from the Lost Prophets. But I've read stories of Led Zeppelin with underage girls etc. I'm not comparing crimes to those of GG but more in reference to the current Ryan Adam story. Wasn't Afrika Bambatta accused of some terrible abuse a while back. These are just the stories of what we get to hear about and possibly just the tip of the iceberg.

Heston wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 1:13pm

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 1:08pm

Heston wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 12:52pm

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 12:46pm

Heston wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 12:09pm

This is generally my opinion but there are some whose crimes are so heinous that I don't think they should ever be played on tv or radio. Lost Prophets and Gary Glitter spring to mind.

I'm not saying you are wrong but where do you draw a line in the sand.? There must be hundreds probably thousands of songs you like by people who have done some awful crimes.

My line in the sand is GG and the Lost Prophets. GG wasn't just done for the stuff on his computer, he is currently serving a very long sentence for abusing children.

Not exactly what I was getting at mate. I've already mentioned what I think about Glitter and yep he is a despicable character same for the guy from the Lost Prophets. But I've read stories of Led Zeppelin with underage girls etc. I'm not comparing crimes to those of GG but more in reference to the current Ryan Adam story. Wasn't Afrika Bambatta accused of some terrible abuse a while back. These are just the stories of what we get to hear about and possibly just the tip of the iceberg.

I just put what GG and that guy from the Lost Prophets did into a different bracket to what Page et al did. Not to trivialize what the latter did but the former are on a way more serious level.

WestwayKid wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 2:02pm

It's a difficult thing because as Marky pointed out - where does one draw the line? How many musicians have done bad things? Lots of them. John Lennon was an admitted domestic abuser. Elvis had a thing for adolescent girls. Chuck Berry, well - we know what Chuck did. The list goes on and on. I was never a big GG fan - so it's easy for me to write him off and say I'll never listen to his music again. I can't say that about Ryan Adams because I've always loved his music and I can't easily disconnect from it. If I'm being honest with myself - yes - I will listen to his music again. I will enjoy his music again. I understand what he's been accused of isn't in the same league as GG or the guy from Lost Prophets. It's creepy and it might have even been illegal (he's being investigated by the FBI) - but it's still icky and definitely not anything I'd condone - but I can't deny I like the music and if I decide to continue to listen to him - I'm going to have to reconcile the fact that he's a creep with the fact that he makes great music I like listening to.

WestwayKid wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 2:02pm

It's a difficult thing because as Marky pointed out - where does one draw the line? How many musicians have done bad things? Lots of them. John Lennon was an admitted domestic abuser. Elvis had a thing for adolescent girls. Chuck Berry, well - we know what Chuck did. The list goes on and on. I was never a big GG fan - so it's easy for me to write him off and say I'll never listen to his music again. I can't say that about Ryan Adams because I've always loved his music and I can't easily disconnect from it. If I'm being honest with myself - yes - I will listen to his music again. I will enjoy his music again. I understand what he's been accused of isn't in the same league as GG or the guy from Lost Prophets. It's creepy and it might have even been illegal (he's being investigated by the FBI) - but it's still icky and definitely not anything I'd condone - but I can't deny I like the music and if I decide to continue to listen to him - I'm going to have to reconcile the fact that he's a creep with the fact that he makes great music I like listening to.

Heston wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 2:37pm

WestwayKid wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 2:02pm

It's a difficult thing because as Marky pointed out - where does one draw the line? How many musicians have done bad things? Lots of them. John Lennon was an admitted domestic abuser. Elvis had a thing for adolescent girls. Chuck Berry, well - we know what Chuck did. The list goes on and on. I was never a big GG fan - so it's easy for me to write him off and say I'll never listen to his music again. I can't say that about Ryan Adams because I've always loved his music and I can't easily disconnect from it. If I'm being honest with myself - yes - I will listen to his music again. I will enjoy his music again. I understand what he's been accused of isn't in the same league as GG or the guy from Lost Prophets. It's creepy and it might have even been illegal (he's being investigated by the FBI) - but it's still icky and definitely not anything I'd condone - but I can't deny I like the music and if I decide to continue to listen to him - I'm going to have to reconcile the fact that he's a creep with the fact that he makes great music I like listening to.

Agreed with most of that. I'm just trying to answer the "where does one draw the line" question. I know lots of rock stars had affairs with young groupies and lots of them beat on their wives etc, but the GG and Lost Prophet guy cases are where I have to say, no, I would not willingly listen to that, and would hope radio and tv controllers would feel the same. I do like some of GG's songs but would never play them now, I just can't separate the seriousness of the crime from the music.

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 3:23pm

Heston wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 2:37pm

WestwayKid wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 2:02pm

It's a difficult thing because as Marky pointed out - where does one draw the line? How many musicians have done bad things? Lots of them. John Lennon was an admitted domestic abuser. Elvis had a thing for adolescent girls. Chuck Berry, well - we know what Chuck did. The list goes on and on. I was never a big GG fan - so it's easy for me to write him off and say I'll never listen to his music again. I can't say that about Ryan Adams because I've always loved his music and I can't easily disconnect from it. If I'm being honest with myself - yes - I will listen to his music again. I will enjoy his music again. I understand what he's been accused of isn't in the same league as GG or the guy from Lost Prophets. It's creepy and it might have even been illegal (he's being investigated by the FBI) - but it's still icky and definitely not anything I'd condone - but I can't deny I like the music and if I decide to continue to listen to him - I'm going to have to reconcile the fact that he's a creep with the fact that he makes great music I like listening to.

Agreed with most of that. I'm just trying to answer the "where does one draw the line" question. I know lots of rock stars had affairs with young groupies and lots of them beat on their wives etc, but the GG and Lost Prophet guy cases are where I have to say, no, I would not willingly listen to that, and would hope radio and tv controllers would feel the same. I do like some of GG's songs but would never play them now, I just can't separate the seriousness of the crime from the music.

No more listening to Judas Priest for you then.

Heston wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 3:48pm

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 3:23pm

Heston wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 2:37pm

WestwayKid wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 2:02pm

It's a difficult thing because as Marky pointed out - where does one draw the line? How many musicians have done bad things? Lots of them. John Lennon was an admitted domestic abuser. Elvis had a thing for adolescent girls. Chuck Berry, well - we know what Chuck did. The list goes on and on. I was never a big GG fan - so it's easy for me to write him off and say I'll never listen to his music again. I can't say that about Ryan Adams because I've always loved his music and I can't easily disconnect from it. If I'm being honest with myself - yes - I will listen to his music again. I will enjoy his music again. I understand what he's been accused of isn't in the same league as GG or the guy from Lost Prophets. It's creepy and it might have even been illegal (he's being investigated by the FBI) - but it's still icky and definitely not anything I'd condone - but I can't deny I like the music and if I decide to continue to listen to him - I'm going to have to reconcile the fact that he's a creep with the fact that he makes great music I like listening to.

Agreed with most of that. I'm just trying to answer the "where does one draw the line" question. I know lots of rock stars had affairs with young groupies and lots of them beat on their wives etc, but the GG and Lost Prophet guy cases are where I have to say, no, I would not willingly listen to that, and would hope radio and tv controllers would feel the same. I do like some of GG's songs but would never play them now, I just can't separate the seriousness of the crime from the music.

No more listening to Judas Priest for you then.

Drummers don't count, they aren't musicians.

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 3:50pm

Heston wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 3:48pm

Marky Dread wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 3:23pm

Heston wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 2:37pm

WestwayKid wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2019, 2:02pm

It's a difficult thing because as Marky pointed out - where does one draw the line? How many musicians have done bad things? Lots of them. John Lennon was an admitted domestic abuser. Elvis had a thing for adolescent girls. Chuck Berry, well - we know what Chuck did. The list goes on and on. I was never a big GG fan - so it's easy for me to write him off and say I'll never listen to his music again. I can't say that about Ryan Adams because I've always loved his music and I can't easily disconnect from it. If I'm being honest with myself - yes - I will listen to his music again. I will enjoy his music again. I understand what he's been accused of isn't in the same league as GG or the guy from Lost Prophets. It's creepy and it might have even been illegal (he's being investigated by the FBI) - but it's still icky and definitely not anything I'd condone - but I can't deny I like the music and if I decide to continue to listen to him - I'm going to have to reconcile the fact that he's a creep with the fact that he makes great music I like listening to.

Agreed with most of that. I'm just trying to answer the "where does one draw the line" question. I know lots of rock stars had affairs with young groupies and lots of them beat on their wives etc, but the GG and Lost Prophet guy cases are where I have to say, no, I would not willingly listen to that, and would hope radio and tv controllers would feel the same. I do like some of GG's songs but would never play them now, I just can't separate the seriousness of the crime from the music.

No more listening to Judas Priest for you then.

Drummers don't count, they aren't musicians.

I can't beat that.