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Re: Music opinion/question of the week...
Posted: 18 Dec 2020, 1:39pm
by Kory
I've become a master at separation. All my favorites are creeps—Dave Sim, Woody Allen, Morrissey, the list goes on—so shunning their work would be turning my back on stuff that has meant a huge amount to my life, which seems like kind of a nutty thing to do. It would mean having art in my life that I only kinda like instead of art that I love.
Re: Music opinion/question of the week...
Posted: 18 Dec 2020, 2:17pm
by JennyB
I just think it's funny that Ryan Adams and Bryan Adams share a birthday.
Re: Music opinion/question of the week...
Posted: 18 Dec 2020, 2:51pm
by Dr. Medulla
JennyB wrote: ↑18 Dec 2020, 2:17pm
I just think it's funny that Ryan Adams and Bryan Adams share a birthday.
And I don't think I've ever heard a Ryan Adams song and actively wish I'd never heard a Bryan Adams one.
Re: Music opinion/question of the week...
Posted: 18 Dec 2020, 3:19pm
by Flex
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑18 Dec 2020, 2:51pm
JennyB wrote: ↑18 Dec 2020, 2:17pm
I just think it's funny that Ryan Adams and Bryan Adams share a birthday.
And I don't think I've ever heard a Ryan Adams song and actively wish I'd never heard a Bryan Adams one.
You may have heard a whiskeytown song or something and not realized it, he's a pretty serviceable alt-country guy.
Re: Music opinion/question of the week...
Posted: 18 Dec 2020, 3:35pm
by Dr. Medulla
Flex wrote: ↑18 Dec 2020, 3:19pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑18 Dec 2020, 2:51pm
JennyB wrote: ↑18 Dec 2020, 2:17pm
I just think it's funny that Ryan Adams and Bryan Adams share a birthday.
And I don't think I've ever heard a Ryan Adams song and actively wish I'd never heard a Bryan Adams one.
You may have heard a whiskeytown song or something and not realized it, he's a pretty serviceable alt-country guy.
Maybe if something of his was in a soundtrack or something like that. But nothing I've ever been aware of who's playing.
Re: Music opinion/question of the week...
Posted: 04 Nov 2022, 10:44am
by Dr. Medulla
The concluding paragraph of Bob Dylan’s essay on Elvis Costello’s “Pump It Up” in
The Philosophy of Modern Song caught my attention:
From here he went on to play chamber music, write songs with Burt Bacharach, do country records, cover records, soul records, ballet and orchestral music. When you are writing songs with Burt Bacharach, you obviously don’t give a fuck what people think. Elvis blows through all kinds of genres like they are not even there. “Pump It Up” is what gives him a license to do all these things.
It’s a neat observation, I think, because it runs counter to how fans treat artists who begin playing raw, hard, loud, and/or fast music—that they’ve sold out, they’ve gotten soft. Dylan spins it around and says once you’ve proven yourself with “fuck you” music, nobody can touch you when you do something else. Thoughts? Do fans get it wrong in complaining about betrayals and sell-outs?
Re: Music opinion/question of the week...
Posted: 04 Nov 2022, 12:21pm
by Marky Dread
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022, 10:44am
The concluding paragraph of Bob Dylan’s essay on Elvis Costello’s “Pump It Up” in
The Philosophy of Modern Song caught my attention:
From here he went on to play chamber music, write songs with Burt Bacharach, do country records, cover records, soul records, ballet and orchestral music. When you are writing songs with Burt Bacharach, you obviously don’t give a fuck what people think. Elvis blows through all kinds of genres like they are not even there. “Pump It Up” is what gives him a license to do all these things.
It’s a neat observation, I think, because it runs counter to how fans treat artists who begin playing raw, hard, loud, and/or fast music—that they’ve sold out, they’ve gotten soft. Dylan spins it around and says once you’ve proven yourself with “fuck you” music, nobody can touch you when you do something else. Thoughts? Do fans get it wrong in complaining about betrayals and sell-outs?
Yep Dylan is 100% spot on. It's narrow minded fans who say Sandinista! is a load of self indulgent crap and turn their ears off. Then say how much they love The Clash but just the first two albums.
Look if you want to have a White Riot all of your own then go and have one. But remember after you have smashed up all of your furniture don't come round to my house because you have nowhere left to sit. Plus I'll be chilling out listening to Sandinista! on my sofa.
If fans think "The Clash" is the best Clash record then fair enough or if it's the greatest punk album of all time then what would be the point of trying to emulate it.
Some bands who started out going 1-2-3-4! Could actually count up to 6.
Re: Music opinion/question of the week...
Posted: 04 Nov 2022, 2:34pm
by coffeepotman
Marky Dread wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022, 12:21pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022, 10:44am
The concluding paragraph of Bob Dylan’s essay on Elvis Costello’s “Pump It Up” in
The Philosophy of Modern Song caught my attention:
From here he went on to play chamber music, write songs with Burt Bacharach, do country records, cover records, soul records, ballet and orchestral music. When you are writing songs with Burt Bacharach, you obviously don’t give a fuck what people think. Elvis blows through all kinds of genres like they are not even there. “Pump It Up” is what gives him a license to do all these things.
It’s a neat observation, I think, because it runs counter to how fans treat artists who begin playing raw, hard, loud, and/or fast music—that they’ve sold out, they’ve gotten soft. Dylan spins it around and says once you’ve proven yourself with “fuck you” music, nobody can touch you when you do something else. Thoughts? Do fans get it wrong in complaining about betrayals and sell-outs?
Yep Dylan is 100% spot on. It's narrow minded fans who say Sandinista! is a load of self indulgent crap and turn their ears off. Then say how much they love The Clash but just the first two albums.
Look if you want to have a White Riot all of your own then go and have one. But remember after you have smashed up all of your furniture don't come round to my house because you have nowhere left to sit. Plus I'll be chilling out listening to Sandinista! on my sofa.
If fans think "The Clash" is the best Clash record then fair enough or if it's the greatest punk album of all time then what would be the point of trying to emulate it.
Some bands who started out going 1-2-3-4! Could actually count up to 6.
Brilliant!
Re: Music opinion/question of the week...
Posted: 04 Nov 2022, 3:03pm
by matedog
Marky Dread wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022, 12:21pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022, 10:44am
The concluding paragraph of Bob Dylan’s essay on Elvis Costello’s “Pump It Up” in
The Philosophy of Modern Song caught my attention:
From here he went on to play chamber music, write songs with Burt Bacharach, do country records, cover records, soul records, ballet and orchestral music. When you are writing songs with Burt Bacharach, you obviously don’t give a fuck what people think. Elvis blows through all kinds of genres like they are not even there. “Pump It Up” is what gives him a license to do all these things.
It’s a neat observation, I think, because it runs counter to how fans treat artists who begin playing raw, hard, loud, and/or fast music—that they’ve sold out, they’ve gotten soft. Dylan spins it around and says once you’ve proven yourself with “fuck you” music, nobody can touch you when you do something else. Thoughts? Do fans get it wrong in complaining about betrayals and sell-outs?
Yep Dylan is 100% spot on. It's narrow minded fans who say Sandinista! is a load of self indulgent crap and turn their ears off. Then say how much they love The Clash but just the first two albums.
Look if you want to have a White Riot all of your own then go and have one. But remember after you have smashed up all of your furniture don't come round to my house because you have nowhere left to sit. Plus I'll be chilling out listening to Sandinista! on my sofa.
If fans think "The Clash" is the best Clash record then fair enough or if it's the greatest punk album of all time then what would be the point of trying to emulate it.
Some bands who started out going 1-2-3-4!
Could actually count up to 6.
Hey, the Police and Thieves intro is in 6/8!
Re: Music opinion/question of the week...
Posted: 04 Nov 2022, 3:16pm
by Kory
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022, 10:44am
The concluding paragraph of Bob Dylan’s essay on Elvis Costello’s “Pump It Up” in
The Philosophy of Modern Song caught my attention:
From here he went on to play chamber music, write songs with Burt Bacharach, do country records, cover records, soul records, ballet and orchestral music. When you are writing songs with Burt Bacharach, you obviously don’t give a fuck what people think. Elvis blows through all kinds of genres like they are not even there. “Pump It Up” is what gives him a license to do all these things.
It’s a neat observation, I think, because it runs counter to how fans treat artists who begin playing raw, hard, loud, and/or fast music—that they’ve sold out, they’ve gotten soft. Dylan spins it around and says once you’ve proven yourself with “fuck you” music, nobody can touch you when you do something else. Thoughts?
Do fans get it wrong in complaining about betrayals and sell-outs?
I don't think artists owe their fans anything, so yes.
Re: Music opinion/question of the week...
Posted: 04 Nov 2022, 3:59pm
by Dr. Medulla
Kory wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022, 3:16pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022, 10:44am
The concluding paragraph of Bob Dylan’s essay on Elvis Costello’s “Pump It Up” in
The Philosophy of Modern Song caught my attention:
From here he went on to play chamber music, write songs with Burt Bacharach, do country records, cover records, soul records, ballet and orchestral music. When you are writing songs with Burt Bacharach, you obviously don’t give a fuck what people think. Elvis blows through all kinds of genres like they are not even there. “Pump It Up” is what gives him a license to do all these things.
It’s a neat observation, I think, because it runs counter to how fans treat artists who begin playing raw, hard, loud, and/or fast music—that they’ve sold out, they’ve gotten soft. Dylan spins it around and says once you’ve proven yourself with “fuck you” music, nobody can touch you when you do something else. Thoughts?
Do fans get it wrong in complaining about betrayals and sell-outs?
I don't think artists owe their fans anything, so yes.
I get that perspective and, to an extent, agree, but it could spill into contempt.
Re: Music opinion/question of the week...
Posted: 04 Nov 2022, 5:14pm
by Marky Dread
matedog wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022, 3:03pm
Marky Dread wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022, 12:21pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022, 10:44am
The concluding paragraph of Bob Dylan’s essay on Elvis Costello’s “Pump It Up” in
The Philosophy of Modern Song caught my attention:
From here he went on to play chamber music, write songs with Burt Bacharach, do country records, cover records, soul records, ballet and orchestral music. When you are writing songs with Burt Bacharach, you obviously don’t give a fuck what people think. Elvis blows through all kinds of genres like they are not even there. “Pump It Up” is what gives him a license to do all these things.
It’s a neat observation, I think, because it runs counter to how fans treat artists who begin playing raw, hard, loud, and/or fast music—that they’ve sold out, they’ve gotten soft. Dylan spins it around and says once you’ve proven yourself with “fuck you” music, nobody can touch you when you do something else. Thoughts? Do fans get it wrong in complaining about betrayals and sell-outs?
Yep Dylan is 100% spot on. It's narrow minded fans who say Sandinista! is a load of self indulgent crap and turn their ears off. Then say how much they love The Clash but just the first two albums.
Look if you want to have a White Riot all of your own then go and have one. But remember after you have smashed up all of your furniture don't come round to my house because you have nowhere left to sit. Plus I'll be chilling out listening to Sandinista! on my sofa.
If fans think "The Clash" is the best Clash record then fair enough or if it's the greatest punk album of all time then what would be the point of trying to emulate it.
Some bands who started out going 1-2-3-4!
Could actually count up to 6.
Hey, the Police and Thieves intro is in 6/8!
Re: Music opinion/question of the week...
Posted: 04 Nov 2022, 5:15pm
by Marky Dread
coffeepotman wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022, 2:34pm
Marky Dread wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022, 12:21pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022, 10:44am
The concluding paragraph of Bob Dylan’s essay on Elvis Costello’s “Pump It Up” in
The Philosophy of Modern Song caught my attention:
From here he went on to play chamber music, write songs with Burt Bacharach, do country records, cover records, soul records, ballet and orchestral music. When you are writing songs with Burt Bacharach, you obviously don’t give a fuck what people think. Elvis blows through all kinds of genres like they are not even there. “Pump It Up” is what gives him a license to do all these things.
It’s a neat observation, I think, because it runs counter to how fans treat artists who begin playing raw, hard, loud, and/or fast music—that they’ve sold out, they’ve gotten soft. Dylan spins it around and says once you’ve proven yourself with “fuck you” music, nobody can touch you when you do something else. Thoughts? Do fans get it wrong in complaining about betrayals and sell-outs?
Yep Dylan is 100% spot on. It's narrow minded fans who say Sandinista! is a load of self indulgent crap and turn their ears off. Then say how much they love The Clash but just the first two albums.
Look if you want to have a White Riot all of your own then go and have one. But remember after you have smashed up all of your furniture don't come round to my house because you have nowhere left to sit. Plus I'll be chilling out listening to Sandinista! on my sofa.
If fans think "The Clash" is the best Clash record then fair enough or if it's the greatest punk album of all time then what would be the point of trying to emulate it.
Some bands who started out going 1-2-3-4! Could actually count up to 6.
Brilliant!
Re: Music opinion/question of the week...
Posted: 04 Nov 2022, 5:26pm
by Kory
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022, 3:59pm
Kory wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022, 3:16pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022, 10:44am
The concluding paragraph of Bob Dylan’s essay on Elvis Costello’s “Pump It Up” in
The Philosophy of Modern Song caught my attention:
From here he went on to play chamber music, write songs with Burt Bacharach, do country records, cover records, soul records, ballet and orchestral music. When you are writing songs with Burt Bacharach, you obviously don’t give a fuck what people think. Elvis blows through all kinds of genres like they are not even there. “Pump It Up” is what gives him a license to do all these things.
It’s a neat observation, I think, because it runs counter to how fans treat artists who begin playing raw, hard, loud, and/or fast music—that they’ve sold out, they’ve gotten soft. Dylan spins it around and says once you’ve proven yourself with “fuck you” music, nobody can touch you when you do something else. Thoughts?
Do fans get it wrong in complaining about betrayals and sell-outs?
I don't think artists owe their fans anything, so yes.
I get that perspective and, to an extent, agree, but it could spill into contempt.
Sure, it's up to individual artists to moderate their own attitudes to things, but the ones that complain about betrayals and sell-outs are probably deserving of contempt.
Re: Music opinion/question of the week...
Posted: 04 Nov 2022, 5:36pm
by Dr. Medulla
Kory wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022, 5:26pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022, 3:59pm
Kory wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022, 3:16pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Nov 2022, 10:44am
The concluding paragraph of Bob Dylan’s essay on Elvis Costello’s “Pump It Up” in
The Philosophy of Modern Song caught my attention:
From here he went on to play chamber music, write songs with Burt Bacharach, do country records, cover records, soul records, ballet and orchestral music. When you are writing songs with Burt Bacharach, you obviously don’t give a fuck what people think. Elvis blows through all kinds of genres like they are not even there. “Pump It Up” is what gives him a license to do all these things.
It’s a neat observation, I think, because it runs counter to how fans treat artists who begin playing raw, hard, loud, and/or fast music—that they’ve sold out, they’ve gotten soft. Dylan spins it around and says once you’ve proven yourself with “fuck you” music, nobody can touch you when you do something else. Thoughts?
Do fans get it wrong in complaining about betrayals and sell-outs?
I don't think artists owe their fans anything, so yes.
I get that perspective and, to an extent, agree, but it could spill into contempt.
Sure, it's up to individual artists to moderate their own attitudes to things, but the ones that complain about betrayals and sell-outs are probably deserving of contempt.
On an experiential level, yeah, I agree with you—I've said many times that fans ruin everything—but intellectually I see a valuable role for audiences in fulfilling the significance of a work. Shit that goes unheard is just potential, so audiences are vital parts to bring it to fruition.
