in the same there's almost a preference to people who drop the veneer of their racism rather than play games, i suppose.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 9:55amOh, it's still repulsive, but I prefer people be open about their values and the contradictions. We don't need to play dumb games.
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Ever since the single was released he has said he felt sorry for her. The song isn't about the Queen. Remember it's not even meant to be called "God Save the Queen" it's called "No Future". McLaren titled it "God Save the Queen" to maximize sales and get up people's noses because of the Jubilee.matedog wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 8:37amI’m still not understanding his position. He doesn’t actually hate the queen as a person just the institution of the monarchy and that’s what the song was always about?Marky Dread wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 8:31amIs it relevant though even if it hadn't been played since 1977? It exists so will be played forever more.
The song is about the followers of the Monarchy being fooled by the "great institution". Just like today thousands making a pilgrimage to London etc to be part of the big event.
The line "it made you a morron" is about exactly the point above.
The irony now is how John likes the big event the marching bands etc. It's all so yaaaaaawn!
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True, but the phrase is right there in the lyrics. We can only blame McLaren only so far.Marky Dread wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 11:49amThe song isn't about the Queen. Remember it's not even meant to be called "God Save the Queen" it's called "No Future". McLaren titled it "God Save the Queen" to maximize sales and get up people's noses because of the Jubilee.
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Yes it is but "God Save the Queen" was the national anthem so it's referencing the fact that it gets sung by the masses.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 12:01pmTrue, but the phrase is right there in the lyrics. We can only blame McLaren only so far.Marky Dread wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 11:49amThe song isn't about the Queen. Remember it's not even meant to be called "God Save the Queen" it's called "No Future". McLaren titled it "God Save the Queen" to maximize sales and get up people's noses because of the Jubilee.
Personally I immensely dislike our national anthem. God save the Queen/King from what exactly a life of privilege and wealth. If anything it should be called "God Save the People".
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I agree. It illustrates an enforced hierarchy that values the monarch over everyone else. Plenty to criticize about Canada's anthem, but at least we aren't singing that anthem of servitude anymore.Marky Dread wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 12:16pmPersonally I immensely dislike our national anthem. God save the Queen/King from what exactly a life of privilege and wealth. If anything it should be called "God Save the People".
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Oh I adore the Canadian national anthem. It's the best in the entire world.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 12:48pmI agree. It illustrates an enforced hierarchy that values the monarch over everyone else. Plenty to criticize about Canada's anthem, but at least we aren't singing that anthem of servitude anymore.Marky Dread wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 12:16pmPersonally I immensely dislike our national anthem. God save the Queen/King from what exactly a life of privilege and wealth. If anything it should be called "God Save the People".
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Oh I can dream …Marky Dread wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 1:01pmOh I adore the Canadian national anthem. It's the best in the entire world.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 12:48pmI agree. It illustrates an enforced hierarchy that values the monarch over everyone else. Plenty to criticize about Canada's anthem, but at least we aren't singing that anthem of servitude anymore.Marky Dread wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 12:16pmPersonally I immensely dislike our national anthem. God save the Queen/King from what exactly a life of privilege and wealth. If anything it should be called "God Save the People".
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Never stop dreaming.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 1:04pmOh I can dream …Marky Dread wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 1:01pmOh I adore the Canadian national anthem. It's the best in the entire world.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 12:48pmI agree. It illustrates an enforced hierarchy that values the monarch over everyone else. Plenty to criticize about Canada's anthem, but at least we aren't singing that anthem of servitude anymore.Marky Dread wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 12:16pmPersonally I immensely dislike our national anthem. God save the Queen/King from what exactly a life of privilege and wealth. If anything it should be called "God Save the People".
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Oh Doc! And I thought you were so rugged!Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 1:04pmOh I can dream …Marky Dread wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 1:01pmOh I adore the Canadian national anthem. It's the best in the entire world.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 12:48pmI agree. It illustrates an enforced hierarchy that values the monarch over everyone else. Plenty to criticize about Canada's anthem, but at least we aren't singing that anthem of servitude anymore.Marky Dread wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 12:16pmPersonally I immensely dislike our national anthem. God save the Queen/King from what exactly a life of privilege and wealth. If anything it should be called "God Save the People".
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Don't kink shame me!Kory wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 4:03pmOh Doc! And I thought you were so rugged!Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 1:04pmOh I can dream …Marky Dread wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 1:01pmOh I adore the Canadian national anthem. It's the best in the entire world.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 12:48pmI agree. It illustrates an enforced hierarchy that values the monarch over everyone else. Plenty to criticize about Canada's anthem, but at least we aren't singing that anthem of servitude anymore.Marky Dread wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 12:16pmPersonally I immensely dislike our national anthem. God save the Queen/King from what exactly a life of privilege and wealth. If anything it should be called "God Save the People".
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Hilarious @ "The Canadian National Anthem".
I am certainly no John Lydon defender, I think he was disgruntled as a young man but he had some success and notoriety and he started making some money and suddenly he wasn''t as disgruntled as he had been but he couldn't change his persona since that's where the money came from, if he would just say that, i'd be less harsh in my opinion about his character today than I am.
However, I just had to say, writing a song lyric, I mean i'm not a professional song writer but sometimes you write a line that sounds good and fits what you're writing but isn't necessarily exactly what you mean. All i'm saying is, I can't take every single line of a song literally, its not gospel, its a song. Nothing more. Only John truly knows how he felt back when he wrote the song, maybe his whole public image was just full of shit from the very beginning.
I am certainly no John Lydon defender, I think he was disgruntled as a young man but he had some success and notoriety and he started making some money and suddenly he wasn''t as disgruntled as he had been but he couldn't change his persona since that's where the money came from, if he would just say that, i'd be less harsh in my opinion about his character today than I am.
However, I just had to say, writing a song lyric, I mean i'm not a professional song writer but sometimes you write a line that sounds good and fits what you're writing but isn't necessarily exactly what you mean. All i'm saying is, I can't take every single line of a song literally, its not gospel, its a song. Nothing more. Only John truly knows how he felt back when he wrote the song, maybe his whole public image was just full of shit from the very beginning.
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As sneering as I am towards him these days, that would devastate me if true. But, no, the righteous anger was sincere at the time, but it's morphed into part of the act. (I hope.)weller259 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 8:01pmHilarious @ "The Canadian National Anthem".
I am certainly no John Lydon defender, I think he was disgruntled as a young man but he had some success and notoriety and he started making some money and suddenly he wasn''t as disgruntled as he had been but he couldn't change his persona since that's where the money came from, if he would just say that, i'd be less harsh in my opinion about his character today than I am.
However, I just had to say, writing a song lyric, I mean i'm not a professional song writer but sometimes you write a line that sounds good and fits what you're writing but isn't necessarily exactly what you mean. All i'm saying is, I can't take every single line of a song literally, its not gospel, its a song. Nothing more. Only John truly knows how he felt back when he wrote the song, maybe his whole public image was just full of shit from the very beginning.
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I agree, I think the anger WAS real and sincere at the time, yet he was aware of his "public image" and did everything he could to manipulate the narrative around that including telling us all he was aware of it and that he controlled it. I still like the music he made up to "Album" about 1986 and nothing can change that for me. Maybe for you its a case of "never meet your heroes" or something like that, lol. All my heroes are fundamentally flawed and/or dead so ... lolDr. Medulla wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 8:18pmAs sneering as I am towards him these days, that would devastate me if true. But, no, the righteous anger was sincere at the time, but it's morphed into part of the act. (I hope.)weller259 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 8:01pmHilarious @ "The Canadian National Anthem".
I am certainly no John Lydon defender, I think he was disgruntled as a young man but he had some success and notoriety and he started making some money and suddenly he wasn''t as disgruntled as he had been but he couldn't change his persona since that's where the money came from, if he would just say that, i'd be less harsh in my opinion about his character today than I am.
However, I just had to say, writing a song lyric, I mean i'm not a professional song writer but sometimes you write a line that sounds good and fits what you're writing but isn't necessarily exactly what you mean. All i'm saying is, I can't take every single line of a song literally, its not gospel, its a song. Nothing more. Only John truly knows how he felt back when he wrote the song, maybe his whole public image was just full of shit from the very beginning.
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Maybe he got fed up with being angry and shouting from the outside.
It feels like a case of "if you can't beat them join them".
It's all their in his lyrics. "I'm changing my ways where money applies".
From "It made you a moron a potential H bomb" to "you, you make me angry".
From a hurricane to a wet fart.
It feels like a case of "if you can't beat them join them".
It's all their in his lyrics. "I'm changing my ways where money applies".
From "It made you a moron a potential H bomb" to "you, you make me angry".
From a hurricane to a wet fart.
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It would have been worse to meet him when I was young and been devastated; I just plain wouldn't care to be in his presence now.weller259 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 9:03pmI agree, I think the anger WAS real and sincere at the time, yet he was aware of his "public image" and did everything he could to manipulate the narrative around that including telling us all he was aware of it and that he controlled it. I still like the music he made up to "Album" about 1986 and nothing can change that for me. Maybe for you its a case of "never meet your heroes" or something like that, lol. All my heroes are fundamentally flawed and/or dead so ... lolDr. Medulla wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 8:18pmAs sneering as I am towards him these days, that would devastate me if true. But, no, the righteous anger was sincere at the time, but it's morphed into part of the act. (I hope.)weller259 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2022, 8:01pmHilarious @ "The Canadian National Anthem".
I am certainly no John Lydon defender, I think he was disgruntled as a young man but he had some success and notoriety and he started making some money and suddenly he wasn''t as disgruntled as he had been but he couldn't change his persona since that's where the money came from, if he would just say that, i'd be less harsh in my opinion about his character today than I am.
However, I just had to say, writing a song lyric, I mean i'm not a professional song writer but sometimes you write a line that sounds good and fits what you're writing but isn't necessarily exactly what you mean. All i'm saying is, I can't take every single line of a song literally, its not gospel, its a song. Nothing more. Only John truly knows how he felt back when he wrote the song, maybe his whole public image was just full of shit from the very beginning.
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