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Re: Sex Pistols

Posted: 21 Jul 2020, 6:25pm
by tepista
101Walterton wrote:
21 Jul 2020, 6:16pm
tepista wrote:
21 Jul 2020, 5:43pm
101Walterton wrote:
21 Jul 2020, 5:26pm
Marky Dread wrote:
21 Jul 2020, 2:44pm
tepista wrote:
21 Jul 2020, 2:19pm
I heard Silly Thing AND Did You No Wrong on the radio this morning!
Nice!
Yeah, was it back to back?
Chris Carter did a quick tribute for Paul Cook's birthday, inbetween those two, he played Johnny Thunders' cover of the Shangri-La's "Great Big Kiss", which Cook played on.
Jonesy was a bit slow on his Instagram!!
If details matter, I was actually listing to a stream of Chris Carter's British Invasion, which airs on Saturday. I usually listen to the previous week's show an hour per day when I'm driving to work.

Re: Sex Pistols

Posted: 28 Sep 2020, 2:16pm
by Inder
There's a photo going around of Lydon in a MAGA shirt (which is a deep :rolleyes: — flashback to Chris's "Aren't We Naughty" Pistols toon in Showdown) that has a resulted in many people who should know better trotting out dumbass "tHeY WeRe jUsT a BoYbaNd" takes on Twitter, which is giving me a twitch.

Re: Sex Pistols

Posted: 28 Sep 2020, 2:25pm
by Flex
Inder wrote:
28 Sep 2020, 2:16pm
There's a photo going around of Lydon in a MAGA shirt (which is a deep :rolleyes: — flashback to Chris's "Aren't We Naughty" Pistols toon in Showdown) that has a resulted in many people who should know better trotting out dumbass "tHeY WeRe jUsT a BoYbaNd" takes on Twitter, which is giving me a twitch.
yeah, lydon can be a shit now without having to have retroactive Bad Takes about the sex pistols

Re: Sex Pistols

Posted: 28 Sep 2020, 2:27pm
by Marky Dread
Inder wrote:
28 Sep 2020, 2:16pm
There's a photo going around of Lydon in a MAGA shirt (which is a deep :rolleyes: — flashback to Chris's "Aren't We Naughty" Pistols toon in Showdown) that has a resulted in many people who should know better trotting out dumbass "tHeY WeRe jUsT a BoYbaNd" takes on Twitter, which is giving me a twitch.
This isn't new News though. He was pictured back in 2018 wearing Trump shit.

Re: Sex Pistols

Posted: 28 Sep 2020, 2:27pm
by Dr. Medulla
Inder wrote:
28 Sep 2020, 2:16pm
There's a photo going around of Lydon in a MAGA shirt (which is a deep :rolleyes: — flashback to Chris's "Aren't We Naughty" Pistols toon in Showdown) that has a resulted in many people who should know better trotting out dumbass "tHeY WeRe jUsT a BoYbaNd" takes on Twitter, which is giving me a twitch.
https://www.newsweek.com/john-lydon-tru ... en-1534584

Sadly, not surprising. He's been consistently knocking back any semblance to anti-authoritarian positions for years now. He supported W., says the royal family are a-ok, maybe said some nice words when Thatcher was recalled back to hell (vague memory, not certain tho). McLaren notwithstanding, in retrospect we can see the Pistols were on the libertarian side of things, but Lydon never shied away from standing up against racism, so this is really awful. It ain't ironic clever or anything, it's endorsing the kind of stuff he used to be unambiguously against.

Re: Sex Pistols

Posted: 28 Sep 2020, 3:08pm
by Wolter
Flex wrote:
28 Sep 2020, 2:25pm
Inder wrote:
28 Sep 2020, 2:16pm
There's a photo going around of Lydon in a MAGA shirt (which is a deep :rolleyes: — flashback to Chris's "Aren't We Naughty" Pistols toon in Showdown) that has a resulted in many people who should know better trotting out dumbass "tHeY WeRe jUsT a BoYbaNd" takes on Twitter, which is giving me a twitch.
yeah, lydon can be a shit now without having to have retroactive Bad Takes about the sex pistols
I don’t even bother to correct them anymore. It’s not even worth it. People have bought entirely into the Swindle.

Re: Sex Pistols

Posted: 28 Sep 2020, 3:47pm
by Marky Dread
This all makes me smile. For a band that imploded in January 1978.

I don't think of Lydon as a Sex Pistol. For me that ended when he formed PiL. Sure they've reformed a few times. But so what the Pistols were a huge cash cow and I always thought it great that Glen finally made some money and got his dues.

Around the time of the Pistols and early PiL he said some great things that made sense but by the 80s he was talking an awful lot of crap. So when it comes to 2020 and people are getting narked that he shows political sympathies with the likes of Trump it's hardly surprising. He left England in 1983 and since then he has been amusing and annoying in equal measure.

Personally I've never felt the Pistols were a political band. To me they were more of a fun rock n roll band. Anarchy and GStQ are just great rock n roll records which didn't set out to change any political landscape but change a musical one which is where the Pistols truly succeeded.

So I don't feel in the least let down by a 64 year old John Lydon when comes out with this crap.

Re: Sex Pistols

Posted: 28 Sep 2020, 3:50pm
by Dr. Medulla
Reflecting on this a bit more and being honest, the reason why I haven't given Lydon's music the heave-ho like I did with Morrissey is that the music still means more to me. It was easier for me to not separate artist from art with Morrissey, but making the same call with the Pistols and (early) PiL is "killing your child" territory for me. But it sucks that the bloated supporter of fascist con men used to be unambiguously hostile toward the same and encouraged others the importance of that stance.

Re: Sex Pistols

Posted: 28 Sep 2020, 4:43pm
by Marky Dread
Dr. Medulla wrote:
28 Sep 2020, 3:50pm
Reflecting on this a bit more and being honest, the reason why I haven't given Lydon's music the heave-ho like I did with Morrissey is that the music still means more to me. It was easier for me to not separate artist from art with Morrissey, but making the same call with the Pistols and (early) PiL is "killing your child" territory for me. But it sucks that the bloated supporter of fascist con men used to be unambiguously hostile toward the same and encouraged others the importance of that stance.
I'm going to be as honest as possible here.

Lydon/Rotten : 1976-9

Living here in England wasn't easy being a punk with an awful lot of people wanting to give you a good kicking. I know I received a few.

Being the face of punk like John was at the time must've been tough. Especially when every word you are saying is being analysed to the nth degree. John was brave enough in interview and expressed his views on the state of the system and then the state of music. He came across directly and honestly with that suss that took no bullshit. He said what others felt and we applauded him. It felt like at last someone was saying this stuff and it didn't take long for others to follow in his footsteps.

As the years pass by and the difficult 70s became the "me me me" 80s some of the stuff John said started to sound a lot less relevant. As he got more comfortable in his role he would chose when he would play the "Rotten" persona. It was his character anyway so he had the right to do so. Except now he's no longer squatting and living a day by day existence. He was entitled to his success and he never said that he didn't want to be successful.

As the years go on he has become less and less relevant which is totally understandable. Except that now contrarianism has replaced sussed street smart wit and intelligence.

I rarely listen to much he has to say now. I still enjoy his music though and the last two PiL albums have been enjoyable affairs.

But he'll always have respect for those early years from me. The attitude and music were fucking immense. I can leave John these days if I chose then go and listen to Metal Box and Bollocks instead of listening to someone who might belong in a metal box for talking bollocks. ;)

Re: Sex Pistols

Posted: 28 Sep 2020, 5:33pm
by Dr. Medulla
I don't disagree with any of what you write above except this:
Except that now contrarianism has replaced sussed street smart wit and intelligence.
Calling his behaviour or stance contrarian is undeservedly generous. Endorsing a war criminal like Bush and a fascist like Trump is over the line of contrarianism. Perhaps Lydon thinks he's just being contrarian and taking a jab at political correctness—which can be an admirable thing—but that's on him then for being a moron who thinks it's clever to just ignore abusing children and promoting hatred against already marginalized people. That's the part that stings for me. He's not obliged to actually come out for or sympathize with terrible people to be a contrarian. That he and others think it's fine to support someone like Trump against all evidence of his inhumanity covers himself in shit.

Re: Sex Pistols

Posted: 28 Sep 2020, 5:43pm
by gkbill
Hello,

I get that John may want someone other than a career politician in public office. I have quite a few friends who feel the same way - get rid of the politicians who have a vested interest in keeping themselves employed and serving themselves and their supporters (donors/special interest PAC's/lobbyists) before the public. I'd like to see this as well (start with overturning Citizens United). However, find a better outsider to support. Start with someone intelligent (doesn't refuse to believe in science if it contradicts his own interest), ethical (those who state they don't care what kind of a person he is, just does his job need to understand his lack of ethics have promoted general distrust of many things a health society is built on; consider how Trump's lack of ethics in many matters have encouraged doubt as to any vaccine for COVID), and honest. Come on, John, be better when you have the right idea.

Sorry - this post has turned more political than musical.

Re: Sex Pistols

Posted: 28 Sep 2020, 6:35pm
by Marky Dread
Dr. Medulla wrote:
28 Sep 2020, 5:33pm
I don't disagree with any of what you write above except this:
Except that now contrarianism has replaced sussed street smart wit and intelligence.
Calling his behaviour or stance contrarian is undeservedly generous. Endorsing a war criminal like Bush and a fascist like Trump is over the line of contrarianism. Perhaps Lydon thinks he's just being contrarian and taking a jab at political correctness—which can be an admirable thing—but that's on him then for being a moron who thinks it's clever to just ignore abusing children and promoting hatred against already marginalized people. That's the part that stings for me. He's not obliged to actually come out for or sympathize with terrible people to be a contrarian. That he and others think it's fine to support someone like Trump against all evidence of his inhumanity covers himself in shit.
Maybe then I haven't used my wording carefully enough. I have no idea what so ever if Lydon says a thing he means these days or not. But what I do know is that everything he says seems contrary to everything he said as a younger man. Maybe I should have used "contradictory" as well as "contrary". I'm certainly not being generous to him. I just get this sense of him having the attitude "you think you know me?" and "I'll show you". Like he's labelled this punk guy who everybody thinks they know already.

I don't like how he comes across these days and he gets no respect from me.

Trump is an evil fucker that I despise.

Re: Sex Pistols

Posted: 28 Sep 2020, 6:55pm
by Dr. Medulla
Marky Dread wrote:
28 Sep 2020, 6:35pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
28 Sep 2020, 5:33pm
I don't disagree with any of what you write above except this:
Except that now contrarianism has replaced sussed street smart wit and intelligence.
Calling his behaviour or stance contrarian is undeservedly generous. Endorsing a war criminal like Bush and a fascist like Trump is over the line of contrarianism. Perhaps Lydon thinks he's just being contrarian and taking a jab at political correctness—which can be an admirable thing—but that's on him then for being a moron who thinks it's clever to just ignore abusing children and promoting hatred against already marginalized people. That's the part that stings for me. He's not obliged to actually come out for or sympathize with terrible people to be a contrarian. That he and others think it's fine to support someone like Trump against all evidence of his inhumanity covers himself in shit.
Maybe then I haven't used my wording carefully enough. I have no idea what so ever if Lydon says a thing he means these days or not. But what I do know is that everything he says seems contrary to everything he said as a younger man. Maybe I should have used "contradictory" as well as "contrary". I'm certainly not being generous to him. I just get this sense of him having the attitude "you think you know me?" and "I'll show you". Like he's labelled this punk guy who everybody thinks they know already.

I don't like how he comes across these days and he gets no respect from me.

Trump is an evil fucker that I despise.
Ah, okay, gotcha. Like with Morrissey, Lydon's shitheal turn forces me to ask whether he changed or whether we all just misinterpreted him before. With Morrissey, I think it's mostly the latter. Lydon, I think/hope, is more the former. I say hope because it means we weren't a bunch of suckers then. I guess it's a good lesson or reminder of the punk stance to reject rock stars.

Re: Sex Pistols

Posted: 28 Sep 2020, 8:13pm
by Inder
Wolter wrote:
28 Sep 2020, 3:08pm
Flex wrote:
28 Sep 2020, 2:25pm
Inder wrote:
28 Sep 2020, 2:16pm
There's a photo going around of Lydon in a MAGA shirt (which is a deep :rolleyes: — flashback to Chris's "Aren't We Naughty" Pistols toon in Showdown) that has a resulted in many people who should know better trotting out dumbass "tHeY WeRe jUsT a BoYbaNd" takes on Twitter, which is giving me a twitch.
yeah, lydon can be a shit now without having to have retroactive Bad Takes about the sex pistols
I don’t even bother to correct them anymore. It’s not even worth it. People have bought entirely into the Swindle.
People remarking "I don't get why people like the Sex Pistols when The Clash are right there" are making me cringe (in the classical sense).

Edit: someone wrote "Anarchy in the UK only added to misconceptions about anarchism". Time to add "sex pistols" to my mute list.

Re: Sex Pistols

Posted: 28 Sep 2020, 9:09pm
by Wolter
Inder wrote:
28 Sep 2020, 8:13pm
Wolter wrote:
28 Sep 2020, 3:08pm
Flex wrote:
28 Sep 2020, 2:25pm
Inder wrote:
28 Sep 2020, 2:16pm
There's a photo going around of Lydon in a MAGA shirt (which is a deep :rolleyes: — flashback to Chris's "Aren't We Naughty" Pistols toon in Showdown) that has a resulted in many people who should know better trotting out dumbass "tHeY WeRe jUsT a BoYbaNd" takes on Twitter, which is giving me a twitch.
yeah, lydon can be a shit now without having to have retroactive Bad Takes about the sex pistols
I don’t even bother to correct them anymore. It’s not even worth it. People have bought entirely into the Swindle.
People remarking "I don't get why people like the Sex Pistols when The Clash are right there" are making me cringe (in the classical sense).

Edit: someone wrote "Anarchy in the UK only added to misconceptions about anarchism". Time to add "sex pistols" to my mute list.
Lotta people who have never been part of a punk scene making a lot of broad stroke arguments about punk today, too.