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Re: Sex Pistols
Posted: 26 Mar 2021, 9:24pm
by Dr. Medulla
gkbill wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 9:04pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 8:25pm
Kory wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 8:20pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 8:18pm
Kory wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 8:10pm
It seems as though most subgenre names are ultimately pretty lazy catch-alls that are necessary for journalists to have a "scene" to get kids excited about, and for record stores to be able to organize their stock. Just look at shoegaze! I myself just consider post-punk bands to be the ones that you and Doc mention—the ones who realized almost right off the bat that the ramalama style could only go so far, and that the truly punk thing to do is to subvert expectations or follow your own muse. So while Eno's (since you mention him as a gray-area type) sound is VERY obviously an influence on those bands, I wouldn't feel comfortable if somebody said he was post-punk, as it's more of a chronological/antecedent-based designation to me, if that makes sense. Some of the NY bands are a little more gray as well—you might be able to call them post-punk, but they weren't really reacting to/moving on from an established punk movement, they just started with that mindset already, as you noted about Eno.
There's also the suggestion that genres are tools of the record companies (you like this band that sounds like this, then you'll also like that band that also sounds like this). Less cynically, when there is so much music to sift thru, as much as we'd like to get rid of labels, we need them as filters to help us in conversation and to organize how we evaluate things. Labels aren't a bad thing as long as they're a tool used by us, rather than a tool that controls us.
Being only 38, I didn't really notice that kind of promotion until around high school. CDs would come with a sticker saying "For fans of [whatever band]." How did the labels manifest that kind of thing in the 70s and 80s?
Basically record shop sections, but also ads in magazines for new albums. Whether the music biz or Hollywood, the principle of imitation reigns. If you like a movie with Cary Grant, you'll like more movies with Cary Grant. Or, if you like this suspense movie with Cary Grant, you'll like this suspense movie with Jimmy Stewart. It always comes down to marketing and the assumption that we prefer to repeat things we liked before. If we all truly privileged originality, marketers would have no clue how to promote cultural goods. Arguably, we've been trained to want more of the same because that's to the culture industry's health.
Hello,
This concept is a bit cynical. I like ska so I'll seek out more ska. There's an intrinsic component. I understand how some are trained (or conditioned) as you've described - there's a lot of money to be made if you can coerce people to desire and thus purchase your product - but some selections are made consciously and independently. I guess that's why you stated "Arguably".
Certainly there's some independence and bucking of trends and all that. Human beings are messy and don't always work faithfully to the models of marketers or Marxists. Nothing is ever 100%, but there's a lot of money to be made by effectively steering 20% … 25% … 30%? of consumers in predictable ways. If you appreciate that 90% of record releases never make their investment, eliminating risk by molding audiences is absolutely vital. And most cultural critics would argue that the culture industry wants and needs those who buck the trends and seek out difference, because they help identify new trends to exploit.
Re: Sex Pistols
Posted: 26 Mar 2021, 9:25pm
by Dr. Medulla
tepista wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 9:22pm
I've never understood what "net worth" means.
It's what price you pay for a net when you want to go fishing or play badminton. Duh.
Re: Sex Pistols
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 6:02am
by Marky Dread
tepista wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 9:22pm
I've never understood what "net worth" means.
It means more money than you and I can only dream of.
Re: Sex Pistols
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 6:07am
by Marky Dread
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 8:25pm
Kory wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 8:20pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 8:18pm
Kory wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 8:10pm
Marky Dread wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 7:58pm
Yeah I agree with the straight jacket and various corners that punk had forced itself into. Many bands were just content with going 1-2-3-4 blam! But there were always bands that wanted to stretch out musically. Even before the post-punk term was coined there were people who realised that it was an attitude.
Post punk is just another narrow minded term to try to label a sound. When you can't label an attitude as easily. I know you and I have had similar discussions about this over the years.
To me an artist like Eno can have some music that could easily be called post punk but that would simply be lazy with an artist who is unafraid of style/sound and experimentation.
It seems as though most subgenre names are ultimately pretty lazy catch-alls that are necessary for journalists to have a "scene" to get kids excited about, and for record stores to be able to organize their stock. Just look at shoegaze! I myself just consider post-punk bands to be the ones that you and Doc mention—the ones who realized almost right off the bat that the ramalama style could only go so far, and that the truly punk thing to do is to subvert expectations or follow your own muse. So while Eno's (since you mention him as a gray-area type) sound is VERY obviously an influence on those bands, I wouldn't feel comfortable if somebody said he was post-punk, as it's more of a chronological/antecedent-based designation to me, if that makes sense. Some of the NY bands are a little more gray as well—you might be able to call them post-punk, but they weren't really reacting to/moving on from an established punk movement, they just started with that mindset already, as you noted about Eno.
There's also the suggestion that genres are tools of the record companies (you like this band that sounds like this, then you'll also like that band that also sounds like this). Less cynically, when there is so much music to sift thru, as much as we'd like to get rid of labels, we need them as filters to help us in conversation and to organize how we evaluate things. Labels aren't a bad thing as long as they're a tool used by us, rather than a tool that controls us.
Being only 38, I didn't really notice that kind of promotion until around high school. CDs would come with a sticker saying "For fans of [whatever band]." How did the labels manifest that kind of thing in the 70s and 80s?
Basically record shop sections, but also ads in magazines for new albums. Whether the music biz or Hollywood, the principle of imitation reigns. If you like a movie with Cary Grant, you'll like more movies with Cary Grant. Or, if you like this suspense movie with Cary Grant, you'll like this suspense movie with Jimmy Stewart. It always comes down to marketing and the assumption that we prefer to repeat things we liked before. If we all truly privileged originality, marketers would have no clue how to promote cultural goods. Arguably, we've been trained to want more of the same because that's to the culture industry's health.
Cary Grant has a new CD out? God damn it music industry you keep sending me this Ed Sheeran shit!
Re: Sex Pistols
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 6:26am
by Dr. Medulla
Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 6:07am
Cary Grant has a new CD out? God damn it music industry you keep sending me this Ed Sheeran shit!
It's fucking dubstep. Avoid like the plague.
Re: Sex Pistols
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 6:35am
by Marky Dread
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 6:26am
Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 6:07am
Cary Grant has a new CD out? God damn it music industry you keep sending me this Ed Sheeran shit!
It's fucking dubstep. Avoid like the plague.
Re: Sex Pistols
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 8:59am
by Silent Majority
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Re: Sex Pistols
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 10:03am
by Dr. Medulla
Shit, yeah!!!!!
Re: Sex Pistols
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 5:14pm
by Kory
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 6:26am
Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 6:07am
Cary Grant has a new CD out? God damn it music industry you keep sending me this Ed Sheeran shit!
It's fucking dubstep. Avoid like the plague.
Just popping in here to defend classic dubstep as opposed to the Skrillex shit.
Re: Sex Pistols
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 5:16pm
by Dr. Medulla
Kory wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 5:14pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 6:26am
Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 6:07am
Cary Grant has a new CD out? God damn it music industry you keep sending me this Ed Sheeran shit!
It's fucking dubstep. Avoid like the plague.
Just popping in here to defend classic dubstep as opposed to the Skrillex shit.
As in Cary Grant classic dubstep? Because that's what we're talking about.
Re: Sex Pistols
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 5:24pm
by Marky Dread
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 5:16pm
Kory wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 5:14pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 6:26am
Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 6:07am
Cary Grant has a new CD out? God damn it music industry you keep sending me this Ed Sheeran shit!
It's fucking dubstep. Avoid like the plague.
Just popping in here to defend classic dubstep as opposed to the Skrillex shit.
As in Cary Grant classic dubstep? Because that's what we're talking about.
I think dubstep was a step too far for Cary. Should've stuck to dancehall and ragga.
Re: Sex Pistols
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 5:27pm
by Silent Majority
Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 5:24pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 5:16pm
Kory wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 5:14pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 6:26am
Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 6:07am
Cary Grant has a new CD out? God damn it music industry you keep sending me this Ed Sheeran shit!
It's fucking dubstep. Avoid like the plague.
Just popping in here to defend classic dubstep as opposed to the Skrillex shit.
As in Cary Grant classic dubstep? Because that's what we're talking about.
I think dubstep was a step too far for Cary. Should've stuck to dancehall and ragga.
Limb by Limb by Northwest
Re: Sex Pistols
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 5:29pm
by Marky Dread
Silent Majority wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 5:27pm
Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 5:24pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 5:16pm
Kory wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 5:14pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 6:26am
It's fucking dubstep. Avoid like the plague.
Just popping in here to defend classic dubstep as opposed to the Skrillex shit.
As in Cary Grant classic dubstep? Because that's what we're talking about.
I think dubstep was a step too far for Cary. Should've stuck to dancehall and ragga.
Limb by Limb by Northwest
Re: Sex Pistols
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 5:31pm
by Dr. Medulla
Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 5:24pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 5:16pm
Kory wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 5:14pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 6:26am
Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 6:07am
Cary Grant has a new CD out? God damn it music industry you keep sending me this Ed Sheeran shit!
It's fucking dubstep. Avoid like the plague.
Just popping in here to defend classic dubstep as opposed to the Skrillex shit.
As in Cary Grant classic dubstep? Because that's what we're talking about.
I think dubstep was a step too far for Cary. Should've stuck to dancehall and ragga.
Know your age and quit following trends. Clark Gable never made a disco record.
Re: Sex Pistols
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 5:42pm
by Kory
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 5:16pm
Kory wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 5:14pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 6:26am
Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 6:07am
Cary Grant has a new CD out? God damn it music industry you keep sending me this Ed Sheeran shit!
It's fucking dubstep. Avoid like the plague.
Just popping in here to defend classic dubstep as opposed to the Skrillex shit.
As in Cary Grant classic dubstep? Because that's what we're talking about.
Does it get more classic?