What a f**king rotter!

[Marky Dread]

I think Steve Pemberton does a brilliant job of Bill Grundy. Not too sure about camp Malcolm.

Have fun.

[Dr. Medulla]

I'll watch this fully later, but the fella playing Lydon captures well his middle-distance stare/glower. Thanks for finding this!

[matedog]

I think Steve Pemberton does a brilliant job of Bill Grundy. Not too sure about camp Malcolm.

Have fun.

That Rotten was better than the Sid and Nancy one at least. It's hard when you are so familiar with certain people, any actor portraying them seems awkward and off putting.

[Dr. Medulla]

Just finished watching it in whole. Quite good, I thought, tho I agree that McLaren was made overly effeminate. The guy playing Lydon really got his mannerisms and inflections down well. As Hoy said, so much better than the Sid & Nancy actor. I did chuckle at the "Don't talk to the mad one!" line.

Say, Marky, do you know whether Siouxsie has ever given her account of the entire incident?

[tepista]

I caught that on the TV a few months ago somehow. it was on Showtime or something

[Marky Dread]

Just finished watching it in whole. Quite good, I thought, tho I agree that McLaren was made overly effeminate. The guy playing Lydon really got his mannerisms and inflections down well. As Hoy said, so much better than the Sid & Nancy actor. I did chuckle at the "Don't talk to the mad one!" line.

Say, Marky, do you know whether Siouxsie has ever given her account of the entire incident?

Yeah she's spoke about it a couple of times. Not really in depth as she was only a bystander caught in the crossfire so to speak.

A little piece here.

[Dr. Medulla]

Just finished watching it in whole. Quite good, I thought, tho I agree that McLaren was made overly effeminate. The guy playing Lydon really got his mannerisms and inflections down well. As Hoy said, so much better than the Sid & Nancy actor. I did chuckle at the "Don't talk to the mad one!" line.

Say, Marky, do you know whether Siouxsie has ever given her account of the entire incident?

Yeah she's spoke about it a couple of times. Not really in depth as she was only a bystander caught in the crossfire so to speak.

A little piece here.

I'm a bit curious about how she regards Grundy's dirty old man leering and propositioning, as well as what the mood was like in the green room. That dramatization rather hit home how limited that story has been related.

[Marky Dread]

Just finished watching it in whole. Quite good, I thought, tho I agree that McLaren was made overly effeminate. The guy playing Lydon really got his mannerisms and inflections down well. As Hoy said, so much better than the Sid & Nancy actor. I did chuckle at the "Don't talk to the mad one!" line.

Say, Marky, do you know whether Siouxsie has ever given her account of the entire incident?

Yeah she's spoke about it a couple of times. Not really in depth as she was only a bystander caught in the crossfire so to speak.

A little piece here.

I'm a bit curious about how she regards Grundy's dirty old man leering and propositioning, as well as what the mood was like in the green room. That dramatization rather hit home how limited that story has been related.

There's plenty of tales about Steve drinking Blue Nun in the green room and being well on his way to being sloshed. Paul Cook ''Steve said the most 'cause Steve drank the most''. That dramatization is fun but a little loose in places of course. They the Pistols and the Bromley contingent were aware of Grundy being arrogant but I doubt they truly knew he was a big drinker. Except in 70's Britain Grundy was no real different in attitude regarding women than many other middle aged men at the time.

I recently watched a documentary on the BBC about the Yorkshire ripper. The victims that were having to be prostitutes to get by to feed their kids were treated as second class citizens. As if it was their own fault they got murdered because they were as described by the arrogant chief of the Yorkshire police ''women of low morals''. Utterly awful way to talk another human being.

[Dr. Medulla]

There's plenty of tales about Steve drinking Blue Nun in the green room and being well on his way to being sloshed. Paul Cook ''Steve said the most 'cause Steve drank the most''. That dramatization is fun but a little loose in places of course. They the Pistols and the Bromley contingent were aware of Grundy being arrogant but I doubt they truly knew he was a big drinker. Except in 70's Britain Grundy was no real different in attitude regarding women than many other middle aged men at the time.

I was recently talking to my mother, who's in her 90s, and she was kind of tut-tutting the metoo movement. She described her bosses when she was in her 20s giving all the women in the office kisses and hugs everyday and there was nothing wrong with it (so she said). I wasn't about to argue with her, but it was striking as to how naturalized that view was.

I recently watched a documentary on the BBC about the Yorkshire ripper. The victims that were having to be prostitutes to get by to feed their kids were treated as second class citizens. As if it was their own fault they got murdered because they were as described by the arrogant chief of the Yorkshire police ''women of low morals''. Utterly awful way to talk another human being.

And we haven't really moved that far beyond that view. The police, at least on the record, are more reluctant to disparage victims who are prostitutes, but the average person still regards them as something less than human in terms of empathy. Labour is labour and human is human.

[Marky Dread]

I do sincerely feel that if that's how your Mother feels then that is completely fine. I don't think it's totally about the hugs etc but how it's done and how that person treats you as a human being. I'm not condoning lecherous behaviour at all. I also think the line is incredibly thin. Women just as capable of flirtatious behaviour and many times signals can be misread. Is putting your arm around someone the same as grabbing a backside personally I don't think. Of course if that person let's you know that the gesture is unwelcome and you are in their space then respect it. Sadly there will always be assholes who are non genuine and abuse their position/status.

Regards the way prostitutes are treated I think it's just dispicable.

[101Walterton]

I think Steve Pemberton does a brilliant job of Bill Grundy. Not too sure about camp Malcolm.

Have fun.

Great job, a lot of time and effort went into that, what was it made for?

[Marky Dread]

I think Steve Pemberton does a brilliant job of Bill Grundy. Not too sure about camp Malcolm.

Have fun.

Great job, a lot of time and effort went into that, what was it made for?

Sky Arts I think

[Heston]

Just finished watching it in whole. Quite good, I thought, tho I agree that McLaren was made overly effeminate. The guy playing Lydon really got his mannerisms and inflections down well. As Hoy said, so much better than the Sid & Nancy actor. I did chuckle at the "Don't talk to the mad one!" line.

Say, Marky, do you know whether Siouxsie has ever given her account of the entire incident?

Yeah she's spoke about it a couple of times. Not really in depth as she was only a bystander caught in the crossfire so to speak.

A little piece here.

I'm a bit curious about how she regards Grundy's dirty old man leering and propositioning, as well as what the mood was like in the green room. That dramatization rather hit home how limited that story has been related.

There's plenty of tales about Steve drinking Blue Nun in the green room and being well on his way to being sloshed. Paul Cook ''Steve said the most 'cause Steve drank the most''. That dramatization is fun but a little loose in places of course. They the Pistols and the Bromley contingent were aware of Grundy being arrogant but I doubt they truly knew he was a big drinker. Except in 70's Britain Grundy was no real different in attitude regarding women than many other middle aged men at the time.

I recently watched a documentary on the BBC about the Yorkshire ripper. The victims that were having to be prostitutes to get by to feed their kids were treated as second class citizens. As if it was their own fault they got murdered because they were as described by the arrogant chief of the Yorkshire police ''women of low morals''. Utterly awful way to talk another human being.

I watched that doc and it was brilliant. The narrator totally tore the police apart with their shit attitudes to women and bungling behaviour. I'm glad we've come on a bit as a society.

[Dr. Medulla]

I do sincerely feel that if that's how your Mother feels then that is completely fine. I don't think it's totally about the hugs etc but how it's done and how that person treats you as a human being. I'm not condoning lecherous behaviour at all.

My issue was less about whether she thought it was fine for her than her dismissal of other women who reject uninvited hugs and the like.

[Marky Dread]

Just finished watching it in whole. Quite good, I thought, tho I agree that McLaren was made overly effeminate. The guy playing Lydon really got his mannerisms and inflections down well. As Hoy said, so much better than the Sid & Nancy actor. I did chuckle at the "Don't talk to the mad one!" line.

Say, Marky, do you know whether Siouxsie has ever given her account of the entire incident?

Yeah she's spoke about it a couple of times. Not really in depth as she was only a bystander caught in the crossfire so to speak.

A little piece here.

I'm a bit curious about how she regards Grundy's dirty old man leering and propositioning, as well as what the mood was like in the green room. That dramatization rather hit home how limited that story has been related.

There's plenty of tales about Steve drinking Blue Nun in the green room and being well on his way to being sloshed. Paul Cook ''Steve said the most 'cause Steve drank the most''. That dramatization is fun but a little loose in places of course. They the Pistols and the Bromley contingent were aware of Grundy being arrogant but I doubt they truly knew he was a big drinker. Except in 70's Britain Grundy was no real different in attitude regarding women than many other middle aged men at the time.

I recently watched a documentary on the BBC about the Yorkshire ripper. The victims that were having to be prostitutes to get by to feed their kids were treated as second class citizens. As if it was their own fault they got murdered because they were as described by the arrogant chief of the Yorkshire police ''women of low morals''. Utterly awful way to talk another human being.

I watched that doc and it was brilliant. The narrator totally tore the police apart with their shit attitudes to women and bungling behaviour. I'm glad we've come on a bit as a society.

Yes I agree about it being brilliant. My only concern was it depicted the Yorkshire police chief as a stubborn arrogant man with very antiquated views which of course he was. However those views were country wide not just those held by Yorkshire men. The facts of their ignorance to prostitutes and non prostitutes was astounding and so many women could have been saved but for that awful attitude.