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I have checked the WAV files of the Product box version of "Fast Cars" against the two disc Special Edition of "Another Music in a Different Kitchen".

My findings are that the "Product" version sounds much better and more natural sounding than more brittle harshness of the two disc reissue.

I have remixed "Fast Cars" and I have managed to give it a much more fuller hi-fi sound without any brickwalling.

I have a lot of stuff on the go at present. But I will remix the whole album and at some stage get it uploaded for you. Then the other two original albums and extras.
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Certainly looking forward to that.
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Olaf wrote:
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Certainly looking forward to that.
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Promises! Sounds good.

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Wow there are a lot of Kory's here.
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Very cool, thanks Marky! I've ordered the Product box from Discogs. I think what I'll probably wind up doing is keeping that, Ripping the bonus tracks from the 2-discers and selling them, and then keeping the newest "original tape" remasters (though I am still concerned that the newest Another Music is fairly bricked, or sounds like it, anyway).
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Kory wrote:
02 Dec 2019, 2:03pm
Very cool, thanks Marky! I've ordered the Product box from Discogs. I think what I'll probably wind up doing is keeping that, Ripping the bonus tracks from the 2-discers and selling them, and then keeping the newest "original tape" remasters (though I am still concerned that the newest Another Music is fairly bricked, or sounds like it, anyway).
The two discs special edition versions are still worthy in my opinion. They are not brickwalled just more brittle sounding. It seems they have had the treble pushed up. I have remixed and remastered the Another Music cd from Product and found that enhancing the background sounds and adding a little sub-bass gave a much fuller sound. With a few other little tricks I use I think it sounds much more natural.

Also I will add that the two disc version of Another Kind of Tension sounds really good.
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Marky Dread wrote:
02 Dec 2019, 2:13pm
Kory wrote:
02 Dec 2019, 2:03pm
Very cool, thanks Marky! I've ordered the Product box from Discogs. I think what I'll probably wind up doing is keeping that, Ripping the bonus tracks from the 2-discers and selling them, and then keeping the newest "original tape" remasters (though I am still concerned that the newest Another Music is fairly bricked, or sounds like it, anyway).
The two discs special edition versions are still worthy in my opinion. They are not brickwalled just more brittle sounding. It seems they have had the treble pushed up. I have remixed and remastered the Another Music cd from Product and found that enhancing the background sounds and adding a little sub-bass gave a much fuller sound. With a few other little tricks I use I think it sounds much more natural.

Also I will add that the two disc version of Another Kind of Tension sounds really good.
Really? I wonder if I have a defective one. I've compared the 2-disc Different Kind of Tension against the IRS one and the newest "original tape" master and it seems like the left guitar is way lower in the mix, creating a weird imbalance. Are you hearing that?

For my money, the "original tape" master is the best one of that so far. Muscular.
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Kory wrote:
02 Dec 2019, 2:19pm
Marky Dread wrote:
02 Dec 2019, 2:13pm
Kory wrote:
02 Dec 2019, 2:03pm
Very cool, thanks Marky! I've ordered the Product box from Discogs. I think what I'll probably wind up doing is keeping that, Ripping the bonus tracks from the 2-discers and selling them, and then keeping the newest "original tape" remasters (though I am still concerned that the newest Another Music is fairly bricked, or sounds like it, anyway).
The two discs special edition versions are still worthy in my opinion. They are not brickwalled just more brittle sounding. It seems they have had the treble pushed up. I have remixed and remastered the Another Music cd from Product and found that enhancing the background sounds and adding a little sub-bass gave a much fuller sound. With a few other little tricks I use I think it sounds much more natural.

Also I will add that the two disc version of Another Kind of Tension sounds really good.
Really? I wonder if I have a defective one. I've compared the 2-disc Different Kind of Tension against the IRS one and the newest "original tape" master and it seems like the left guitar is way lower in the mix, creating a weird imbalance. Are you hearing that?

For my money, the "original tape" master is the best one of that so far. Muscular.
Just a question do you have the 2 disc version that says "special edition" on the front cover under the album title?

EMI have released these albums so many times. There have been previous two disc editions.
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Slightly off topic, but Buzzcocks have tweeted that they're preparing a new box set (Trade Test Transmissions, presumably) and are trying to track down some demos from the period:

"We're looking for a good copy of the 1991 demo album (on cassette) what will be part of a box set of reunion album reissues. If anyone can supply it (postage will be covered) credit will be given & you'll get a copy of the box set when it's released next year."
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JohnS wrote:
03 Dec 2019, 8:42am
Slightly off topic, but Buzzcocks have tweeted that they're preparing a new box set (Trade Test Transmissions, presumably) and are trying to track down some demos from the period:

"We're looking for a good copy of the 1991 demo album (on cassette) what will be part of a box set of reunion album reissues. If anyone can supply it (postage will be covered) credit will be given & you'll get a copy of the box set when it's released next year."
I've got that demo album. Wonder why they want it on cassette and not disc.
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Marky Dread wrote:
03 Dec 2019, 9:00am
JohnS wrote:
03 Dec 2019, 8:42am
Slightly off topic, but Buzzcocks have tweeted that they're preparing a new box set (Trade Test Transmissions, presumably) and are trying to track down some demos from the period:

"We're looking for a good copy of the 1991 demo album (on cassette) what will be part of a box set of reunion album reissues. If anyone can supply it (postage will be covered) credit will be given & you'll get a copy of the box set when it's released next year."
I've got that demo album. Wonder why they want it on cassette and not disc.
Me too, I think - I have a CDR of the same tracks, but in a different order.
I presume this is the tape they want to track down, perhaps the CDRs which got traded (with re-ordered songs) are a different mix/inferior generation/ different edits

https://www.discogs.com/Buzzcocks-Demo- ... se/9531169
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The Pacific demo tape :
A1. Dreamin
A2. Alive Tonight
A3. Never Gonna Give It Up
A4. Wallpaper World
A5. Successful Street
A6. Who'll Help Me To Forget
A7. Serious Crime
A8. Why Compromise

B1. Last To Know
B2. Run Away From Home
B3. Searching For Your Love
B4. Tranquillizer
B5. When Love Turns Around You

What I have in Flac:

01. Isolation
02. Never Gonna Give It Up
03. When Love Turns Around You
04. All Over You
05. Trash Away
06. Who'll Help Me to Forget
07. Run Away from Home
08. Why Compromise
09. Alive Tonight
10. Last to Know
11. Inside
12. Serious Crime
13. Tranquilizer
14. Dreamin'

Just found another disc with the following.

Drone Studio session 4-24-91

Never Gonna Give It Up
Serious Crime
Dreaming
Last to Know
Run Away From Home
Tranquilizer
Alive Tonight
When Love Turns Around You
Isolation
Successful Street
Who'll Help Me Forget
Why Compromise
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Kory wrote:
02 Dec 2019, 2:19pm
Marky Dread wrote:
02 Dec 2019, 2:13pm
Kory wrote:
02 Dec 2019, 2:03pm
Very cool, thanks Marky! I've ordered the Product box from Discogs. I think what I'll probably wind up doing is keeping that, Ripping the bonus tracks from the 2-discers and selling them, and then keeping the newest "original tape" remasters (though I am still concerned that the newest Another Music is fairly bricked, or sounds like it, anyway).
The two discs special edition versions are still worthy in my opinion. They are not brickwalled just more brittle sounding. It seems they have had the treble pushed up. I have remixed and remastered the Another Music cd from Product and found that enhancing the background sounds and adding a little sub-bass gave a much fuller sound. With a few other little tricks I use I think it sounds much more natural.

Also I will add that the two disc version of Another Kind of Tension sounds really good.
Really? I wonder if I have a defective one. I've compared the 2-disc Different Kind of Tension against the IRS one and the newest "original tape" master and it seems like the left guitar is way lower in the mix, creating a weird imbalance. Are you hearing that?

For my money, the "original tape" master is the best one of that so far. Muscular.
I don't hear that from my copy. I hear both guitars in separate channels clearly. The old Buzzcocks trick of putting the guitars through a harmonizer is clearly at play here.
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Marky Dread wrote:
03 Dec 2019, 9:59am
The Pacific demo tape :
A1. Dreamin
A2. Alive Tonight
A3. Never Gonna Give It Up
A4. Wallpaper World
A5. Successful Street
A6. Who'll Help Me To Forget
A7. Serious Crime
A8. Why Compromise

B1. Last To Know
B2. Run Away From Home
B3. Searching For Your Love
B4. Tranquillizer
B5. When Love Turns Around You

What I have in Flac:

01. Isolation
02. Never Gonna Give It Up
03. When Love Turns Around You
04. All Over You
05. Trash Away
06. Who'll Help Me to Forget
07. Run Away from Home
08. Why Compromise
09. Alive Tonight
10. Last to Know
11. Inside
12. Serious Crime
13. Tranquilizer
14. Dreamin'
My demos CDR matches your FLAC list exactly Marky.
The tape has some exclusive tracks - Wallpaper World, Successful Street and Searching For Your Love - so maybe that's why they're tracking it down.
The CDR has its own exclusive tracks - Isolation, All Over You, Trash Away and Inside. Hopefully they've got those covered already
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