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Re: For all of us Shitallica fans
Posted: 24 May 2020, 8:49pm
by Heston
Wolter wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 8:45pm
KISS were definitely considered metal in many circles, but for some reason Heston is good at ignoring that.
(It’s after midnight over there. I’m definitely trying to get some PRIZE IDOOT posting started...
No, I have defined KISS as metal before.
Re: For all of us Shitallica fans
Posted: 24 May 2020, 8:51pm
by revbob
Heston wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 8:14pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 7:23pm
Heston wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 7:16pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 7:11pm
revbob wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 6:56pm
101 is a metalphobe he wont be any help.
But Heston doesn't know what metal is, so they might find common ground.
Rush, Van Halen, Kiss, long hair and screechy lyrics, it's all metal to me. Did it look out of place on a sleeveless denim jacket in 1980? That's all you need to ask.
Did those bands think themselves metal? Did fans think it was metal? Was it promoted as metal? As I've said before, sure, anyone can come up with their own working definition and apply it to their heart's content, but if they're looking to persuade, taking into account how others view it is kind of important.
I still think there's a schism between the US and UK on metal. Rush were definitely lumped in with Maiden, Priest etc in the early 80s over here.
My mates were happy to wear the patches of all of those bands. It's down to whether you interpret it as heavy rock or heavy metal. To me, if they were in the Kerrang they were metal. That will be why I ended up going to see April Wine.
I've seen punks with Motorhead patches, buttons, at shows but none were under the illusion that Motorhead were punk.
Re: For all of us Shitallica fans
Posted: 24 May 2020, 8:53pm
by Wolter
revbob wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 8:51pm
Heston wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 8:14pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 7:23pm
Heston wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 7:16pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 7:11pm
But Heston doesn't know what metal is, so they might find common ground.
Rush, Van Halen, Kiss, long hair and screechy lyrics, it's all metal to me. Did it look out of place on a sleeveless denim jacket in 1980? That's all you need to ask.
Did those bands think themselves metal? Did fans think it was metal? Was it promoted as metal? As I've said before, sure, anyone can come up with their own working definition and apply it to their heart's content, but if they're looking to persuade, taking into account how others view it is kind of important.
I still think there's a schism between the US and UK on metal. Rush were definitely lumped in with Maiden, Priest etc in the early 80s over here.
My mates were happy to wear the patches of all of those bands. It's down to whether you interpret it as heavy rock or heavy metal. To me, if they were in the Kerrang they were metal. That will be why I ended up going to see April Wine.
I've seen punks with Motorhead patches, buttons, at shows but none were under the illusion that Motorhead were punk.
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Re: For all of us Shitallica fans
Posted: 24 May 2020, 8:55pm
by Heston
Wolter wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 8:45pm
KISS were definitely considered metal in many circles, but for some reason Heston is good at ignoring that.
(It’s after midnight over there. I’m definitely trying to get some PRIZE IDOOT posting started...
That's PRZE IDOOT to you.
Re: For all of us Shitallica fans
Posted: 24 May 2020, 8:58pm
by Wolter
Heston wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 8:49pm
Wolter wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 8:45pm
KISS were definitely considered metal in many circles, but for some reason Heston is good at ignoring that.
(It’s after midnight over there. I’m definitely trying to get some PRIZE IDOOT posting started...
No, I have defined KISS as metal before.
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Re: For all of us Shitallica fans
Posted: 24 May 2020, 8:58pm
by revbob
Heston wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 8:48pm
revbob wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 8:32pm
Heston wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 8:14pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 7:23pm
Heston wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 7:16pm
Rush, Van Halen, Kiss, long hair and screechy lyrics, it's all metal to me. Did it look out of place on a sleeveless denim jacket in 1980? That's all you need to ask.
Did those bands think themselves metal? Did fans think it was metal? Was it promoted as metal? As I've said before, sure, anyone can come up with their own working definition and apply it to their heart's content, but if they're looking to persuade, taking into account how others view it is kind of important.
I still think there's a schism between the US and UK on metal. Rush were definitely lumped in with Maiden, Priest etc in the early 80s over here. My mates were happy to wear the patches of all of those bands. It's down to whether you interpret it as heavy rock or heavy metal. To me, if they were
in the Kerrang they were metal. That will be why I ended up going to see April Wine.
So Marillion were like super metal then right? They were always in Kerrang.
Plus Asia, Joan Jett, Pat Benatar and Kim Carnes?
Well that was a bit later, I'm talking 80/81. We invented metal so I'm pretty sure we can define it how we see fit.
Ok, 80/81 but definitely not 82. Got it.
Re: For all of us Shitallica fans
Posted: 24 May 2020, 8:59pm
by Wolter
Heston, I need you to have 2-5 more drinks.
Re: For all of us Shitallica fans
Posted: 24 May 2020, 9:01pm
by revbob
Damn!!!
My definition of hippies is different to yours. KISS were a rock and roll band, not some stupid fucking heavy metal hippies.
Re: For all of us Shitallica fans
Posted: 24 May 2020, 9:05pm
by 101Walterton
revbob wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 6:56pm
Heston wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 6:49pm
101Walterton wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 5:55pm
Heston wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 4:56pm
Wally, back me up here.
I read the thread title and walked past.
Just stumbled in by accident and saw this, who we fighting
The naysayers of metal.
101 is a metalphobe he wont be any help.
This is probably correct.
Re: For all of us Shitallica fans
Posted: 24 May 2020, 9:06pm
by Wolter
revbob wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 9:01pm
Damn!!!
My definition of hippies is different to yours. KISS were a rock and roll band, not some stupid fucking heavy metal hippies.
Re: For all of us Shitallica fans
Posted: 24 May 2020, 9:09pm
by Heston
These are taken out of context. Please scroll down to my post at the bottom of the page on the second link.
Re: For all of us Shitallica fans
Posted: 24 May 2020, 9:11pm
by Wolter
Heston wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 9:09pm
These are taken out of context. Please scroll down to my post at the bottom of the page on the second link.
No, you are just inconsistent.
They're metal when you don't like them, but they aren't metal when you do.
Re: For all of us Shitallica fans
Posted: 24 May 2020, 9:13pm
by Heston
Wolter wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 9:11pm
Heston wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 9:09pm
These are taken out of context. Please scroll down to my post at the bottom of the page on the second link.
No, you are just inconsistent.
They're metal when you don't like them, but they aren't metal when you do.
Right, I'm going to bed.
Re: For all of us Shitallica fans
Posted: 24 May 2020, 9:14pm
by Wolter
Heston wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 9:13pm
Wolter wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 9:11pm
Heston wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 9:09pm
These are taken out of context. Please scroll down to my post at the bottom of the page on the second link.
No, you are just inconsistent.
They're metal when you don't like them, but they aren't metal when you do.
Right, I'm going to bed.
NO! STAY AND DRINK A BIT! I PROMISE IT WILL END WELL.
Re: For all of us Shitallica fans
Posted: 24 May 2020, 9:15pm
by Heston
revbob wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 4:45pm
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 4:26pm
revbob wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 4:16pm
Wolter wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 3:53pm
revbob wrote: ↑24 May 2020, 3:45pm
Early Rush could certainly be categorized as hard rock but heavy metal requires a little more...
Yeah. They’re a proggy sort of hard rock that I can see certain metal fans liking, but they aren’t themselves metal.
Absolutely many metal fans were Rush fans back in the day but they saw the distinction.
I always understood Rush fans with pot smokers and being into scifi/fantasy. Some metal fans in those groups, but not exclusively at all.
Pot was great
Yes, it was.
