Couldn’t find the question for Heston thread but anyone who know about guitar playing welcome to chip in here.
I’ve read a lot over the years about Paul Weller’s guitar playing style when he was in The Jam and how (live) he could create the sound he did.
After Steve Brookes left Foxton played bass and Weller played lead/ rhythm based on Pete Townshend’s method.
What does that actually mean practically. I know how you play lead and rhythm but how do you do both at once?
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Well let me say first of all I think Weller should have had a second guitarist in the Jam. All of their records have at least two guitars bashing away, usually more by the time they got to All Mod Cons. Strange Town has about seven guitar tracks on it. I've listened to a lot of live Jam and his lead often gets lost in the mix. Another guitar player could have freed him up a bit.101Walterton wrote: ↑26 Apr 2020, 4:49pmCouldn’t find the question for Heston thread but anyone who know about guitar playing welcome to chip in here.
I’ve read a lot over the years about Paul Weller’s guitar playing style when he was in The Jam and how (live) he could create the sound he did.
After Steve Brookes left Foxton played bass and Weller played lead/ rhythm based on Pete Townshend’s method.
What does that actually mean practically. I know how you play lead and rhythm but how do you do both at once?
To answer your question isn't straightforward, it depends from song to song. One method is to play the lead within the chord, using half chord shapes. This can free up fingers to do little licks. An example of that is "In the City" where he uses pull ons/pull offs whilst playing the half chord. Or you have a solo like on Start! where he hits open strings whilst playing the lead. This may be a bit technical but it's pretty hard to explain.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board
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Thanks I kindof get it.Heston wrote: ↑26 Apr 2020, 6:37pmWell let me say first of all I think Weller should have had a second guitarist in the Jam. All of their records have at least two guitars bashing away, usually more by the time they got to All Mod Cons. Strange Town has about seven guitar tracks on it. I've listened to a lot of live Jam and his lead often gets lost in the mix. Another guitar player could have freed him up a bit.101Walterton wrote: ↑26 Apr 2020, 4:49pmCouldn’t find the question for Heston thread but anyone who know about guitar playing welcome to chip in here.
I’ve read a lot over the years about Paul Weller’s guitar playing style when he was in The Jam and how (live) he could create the sound he did.
After Steve Brookes left Foxton played bass and Weller played lead/ rhythm based on Pete Townshend’s method.
What does that actually mean practically. I know how you play lead and rhythm but how do you do both at once?
To answer your question isn't straightforward, it depends from song to song. One method is to play the lead within the chord, using half chord shapes. This can free up fingers to do little licks. An example of that is "In the City" where he uses pull ons/pull offs whilst playing the half chord. Or you have a solo like on Start! where he hits open strings whilst playing the lead. This may be a bit technical but it's pretty hard to explain.
I was talking about live before The Jam had extras on stage as I realised there were extra tracks on record especially Setting Sons.
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101 I'm no guitar player and not technically minded like our pal Heston. But here's what I think is important. Weller just like Strummer was a huge admirer of Wilko Johnson and that Rhythm and lead style is all over In the City. Wilko was inspired by Peter Green.101Walterton wrote: ↑26 Apr 2020, 7:49pmThanks I kindof get it.Heston wrote: ↑26 Apr 2020, 6:37pmWell let me say first of all I think Weller should have had a second guitarist in the Jam. All of their records have at least two guitars bashing away, usually more by the time they got to All Mod Cons. Strange Town has about seven guitar tracks on it. I've listened to a lot of live Jam and his lead often gets lost in the mix. Another guitar player could have freed him up a bit.101Walterton wrote: ↑26 Apr 2020, 4:49pmCouldn’t find the question for Heston thread but anyone who know about guitar playing welcome to chip in here.
I’ve read a lot over the years about Paul Weller’s guitar playing style when he was in The Jam and how (live) he could create the sound he did.
After Steve Brookes left Foxton played bass and Weller played lead/ rhythm based on Pete Townshend’s method.
What does that actually mean practically. I know how you play lead and rhythm but how do you do both at once?
To answer your question isn't straightforward, it depends from song to song. One method is to play the lead within the chord, using half chord shapes. This can free up fingers to do little licks. An example of that is "In the City" where he uses pull ons/pull offs whilst playing the half chord. Or you have a solo like on Start! where he hits open strings whilst playing the lead. This may be a bit technical but it's pretty hard to explain.
I was talking about live before The Jam had extras on stage as I realised there were extra tracks on record especially Setting Sons.
Here's the great man spilling the beans.
Forces have been looting
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Brilliant. Wilko is a fucking genius.Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 5:22pm101 I'm no guitar player and not technically minded like our pal Heston. But here's what I think is important. Weller just like Strummer was a huge admirer of Wilko Johnson and that Rhythm and lead style is all over In the City. Wilko was inspired by Peter Green.101Walterton wrote: ↑26 Apr 2020, 7:49pmThanks I kindof get it.Heston wrote: ↑26 Apr 2020, 6:37pmWell let me say first of all I think Weller should have had a second guitarist in the Jam. All of their records have at least two guitars bashing away, usually more by the time they got to All Mod Cons. Strange Town has about seven guitar tracks on it. I've listened to a lot of live Jam and his lead often gets lost in the mix. Another guitar player could have freed him up a bit.101Walterton wrote: ↑26 Apr 2020, 4:49pmCouldn’t find the question for Heston thread but anyone who know about guitar playing welcome to chip in here.
I’ve read a lot over the years about Paul Weller’s guitar playing style when he was in The Jam and how (live) he could create the sound he did.
After Steve Brookes left Foxton played bass and Weller played lead/ rhythm based on Pete Townshend’s method.
What does that actually mean practically. I know how you play lead and rhythm but how do you do both at once?
To answer your question isn't straightforward, it depends from song to song. One method is to play the lead within the chord, using half chord shapes. This can free up fingers to do little licks. An example of that is "In the City" where he uses pull ons/pull offs whilst playing the half chord. Or you have a solo like on Start! where he hits open strings whilst playing the lead. This may be a bit technical but it's pretty hard to explain.
I was talking about live before The Jam had extras on stage as I realised there were extra tracks on record especially Setting Sons.
Here's the great man spilling the beans.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board
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Those half chords he plays are what I referred to earlier. Weller did a much similar thing on the first couple of Jam albums but with a plectrum. A lot of it is about dampening certain strings whilst making others ring out.Heston wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 6:20pmBrilliant. Wilko is a fucking genius.Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 5:22pm101 I'm no guitar player and not technically minded like our pal Heston. But here's what I think is important. Weller just like Strummer was a huge admirer of Wilko Johnson and that Rhythm and lead style is all over In the City. Wilko was inspired by Peter Green.101Walterton wrote: ↑26 Apr 2020, 7:49pmThanks I kindof get it.Heston wrote: ↑26 Apr 2020, 6:37pmWell let me say first of all I think Weller should have had a second guitarist in the Jam. All of their records have at least two guitars bashing away, usually more by the time they got to All Mod Cons. Strange Town has about seven guitar tracks on it. I've listened to a lot of live Jam and his lead often gets lost in the mix. Another guitar player could have freed him up a bit.101Walterton wrote: ↑26 Apr 2020, 4:49pmCouldn’t find the question for Heston thread but anyone who know about guitar playing welcome to chip in here.
I’ve read a lot over the years about Paul Weller’s guitar playing style when he was in The Jam and how (live) he could create the sound he did.
After Steve Brookes left Foxton played bass and Weller played lead/ rhythm based on Pete Townshend’s method.
What does that actually mean practically. I know how you play lead and rhythm but how do you do both at once?
To answer your question isn't straightforward, it depends from song to song. One method is to play the lead within the chord, using half chord shapes. This can free up fingers to do little licks. An example of that is "In the City" where he uses pull ons/pull offs whilst playing the half chord. Or you have a solo like on Start! where he hits open strings whilst playing the lead. This may be a bit technical but it's pretty hard to explain.
I was talking about live before The Jam had extras on stage as I realised there were extra tracks on record especially Setting Sons.
Here's the great man spilling the beans.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board
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Just realised I put Peter Green when I should've put Mick Green. Mick Green was the guitarist from Johnny Kidd and the Pirates. It's Important.Heston wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 6:39pmThose half chords he plays are what I referred to earlier. Weller did a much similar thing on the first couple of Jam albums but with a plectrum. A lot of it is about dampening certain strings whilst making others ring out.Heston wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 6:20pmBrilliant. Wilko is a fucking genius.Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 5:22pm101 I'm no guitar player and not technically minded like our pal Heston. But here's what I think is important. Weller just like Strummer was a huge admirer of Wilko Johnson and that Rhythm and lead style is all over In the City. Wilko was inspired by Peter Green.101Walterton wrote: ↑26 Apr 2020, 7:49pmThanks I kindof get it.Heston wrote: ↑26 Apr 2020, 6:37pm
Well let me say first of all I think Weller should have had a second guitarist in the Jam. All of their records have at least two guitars bashing away, usually more by the time they got to All Mod Cons. Strange Town has about seven guitar tracks on it. I've listened to a lot of live Jam and his lead often gets lost in the mix. Another guitar player could have freed him up a bit.
To answer your question isn't straightforward, it depends from song to song. One method is to play the lead within the chord, using half chord shapes. This can free up fingers to do little licks. An example of that is "In the City" where he uses pull ons/pull offs whilst playing the half chord. Or you have a solo like on Start! where he hits open strings whilst playing the lead. This may be a bit technical but it's pretty hard to explain.
I was talking about live before The Jam had extras on stage as I realised there were extra tracks on record especially Setting Sons.
Here's the great man spilling the beans.
Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
"Without the common people you're nothing"
Nos Sumus Una Familia
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Yeah, I thought Wilko was cracking up when I watched it. Nice clarification.Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 7:06pmJust realised I put Peter Green when I should've put Mick Green. Mick Green was the guitarist from Johnny Kidd and the Pirates. It's Important.Heston wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 6:39pmThose half chords he plays are what I referred to earlier. Weller did a much similar thing on the first couple of Jam albums but with a plectrum. A lot of it is about dampening certain strings whilst making others ring out.Heston wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 6:20pmBrilliant. Wilko is a fucking genius.Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 5:22pm101 I'm no guitar player and not technically minded like our pal Heston. But here's what I think is important. Weller just like Strummer was a huge admirer of Wilko Johnson and that Rhythm and lead style is all over In the City. Wilko was inspired by Peter Green.101Walterton wrote: ↑26 Apr 2020, 7:49pm
Thanks I kindof get it.
I was talking about live before The Jam had extras on stage as I realised there were extra tracks on record especially Setting Sons.
Here's the great man spilling the beans.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board
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Cheers Marky.Heston wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 6:39pmThose half chords he plays are what I referred to earlier. Weller did a much similar thing on the first couple of Jam albums but with a plectrum. A lot of it is about dampening certain strings whilst making others ring out.Heston wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 6:20pmBrilliant. Wilko is a fucking genius.Marky Dread wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 5:22pm101 I'm no guitar player and not technically minded like our pal Heston. But here's what I think is important. Weller just like Strummer was a huge admirer of Wilko Johnson and that Rhythm and lead style is all over In the City. Wilko was inspired by Peter Green.101Walterton wrote: ↑26 Apr 2020, 7:49pmThanks I kindof get it.Heston wrote: ↑26 Apr 2020, 6:37pm
Well let me say first of all I think Weller should have had a second guitarist in the Jam. All of their records have at least two guitars bashing away, usually more by the time they got to All Mod Cons. Strange Town has about seven guitar tracks on it. I've listened to a lot of live Jam and his lead often gets lost in the mix. Another guitar player could have freed him up a bit.
To answer your question isn't straightforward, it depends from song to song. One method is to play the lead within the chord, using half chord shapes. This can free up fingers to do little licks. An example of that is "In the City" where he uses pull ons/pull offs whilst playing the half chord. Or you have a solo like on Start! where he hits open strings whilst playing the lead. This may be a bit technical but it's pretty hard to explain.
I was talking about live before The Jam had extras on stage as I realised there were extra tracks on record especially Setting Sons.
Here's the great man spilling the beans.
Yep even though he explained it it still doesn’t seem possible to play like that.
I often wondered what Wellers thumb was up to.