Most UNDERRATED Band Member of All Time
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Most UNDERRATED Band Member of All Time
We can discuss endlessly how meritless someone is, but who are the unsung band members who contributed more than they get credit for?
I'll start with Carl Wilson (and really to some exttent any Beach Boys member not named Brian Wilson or Mike Love). Carl led the band during some of their less commercially successful but highly satisfying late 60s and 70s studio output and really took control of the live band for a bunch of years to pretty good success. And his vocal harmonies were often worth seeking out even in the most dogshit z-grade late era Beach Boys material (as matedog has lovingly cataloged on his SiP dives). I think hardcore fans of the band recognize Carl's contributions, but I don't think there's any popular awareness of how the non-Brian and Mike members of the group contributed.
I'll start with Carl Wilson (and really to some exttent any Beach Boys member not named Brian Wilson or Mike Love). Carl led the band during some of their less commercially successful but highly satisfying late 60s and 70s studio output and really took control of the live band for a bunch of years to pretty good success. And his vocal harmonies were often worth seeking out even in the most dogshit z-grade late era Beach Boys material (as matedog has lovingly cataloged on his SiP dives). I think hardcore fans of the band recognize Carl's contributions, but I don't think there's any popular awareness of how the non-Brian and Mike members of the group contributed.
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Ringo. Consistently most people's fourth-favourite Beatle but nobody dislikes him. He was the steady and modest one, the one who handled the insane fame the best. He was fine letting the others be the stars, doing what needed to be done as a Beatle. He was basically the drummer for the band's persona, too. His odd speech also provided a number of catchy lyrics for the others. Such a valuable presence in the band all the way to the end.
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Both Ringo and Carl are definitely underrated. Good choices.
I’m gonna say that Greg Norton is probably underrated because everyone can point to Grant and Bob’s contributions to Hüsker Dü, but he managed to keep them in a band together for almost a decade against all odds. Also, he was somehow the only straight one in the band yet he sported a totally 80s queer culture mustache.
I’m gonna say that Greg Norton is probably underrated because everyone can point to Grant and Bob’s contributions to Hüsker Dü, but he managed to keep them in a band together for almost a decade against all odds. Also, he was somehow the only straight one in the band yet he sported a totally 80s queer culture mustache.
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Linda McCartney. Her triangle work was only surpassed by her tambourine.
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Plus no one credits her enough with breaking up the Beatles. It’s always Yoko this, and Yoko that.
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Ha, I was going to list Ringo in the Overrated thread. Generally a so so drummer that also happens to be probably the best known drummer. Not sure if well known equates with "overrated" though.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑07 May 2020, 12:32pmRingo. Consistently most people's fourth-favourite Beatle but nobody dislikes him. He was the steady and modest one, the one who handled the insane fame the best. He was fine letting the others be the stars, doing what needed to be done as a Beatle. He was basically the drummer for the band's persona, too. His odd speech also provided a number of catchy lyrics for the others. Such a valuable presence in the band all the way to the end.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
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Actually I prefer his Still Cruisin' contributions.
It's also worth noting he sings lead on God Only Knows and Good Vibrations. Arguably the two most important BB songs.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
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Geezer Butler, bassist of Black Sabbath. He was the main lyricist of the band but was often overshadowed by Iommi's guitar and Ozzy's Ozzyness.
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Almost as predictable as death and taxes, drummers who dump on Ringo. I've read many, many times that he intentionally underperformed in the Beatles because he didn't think it was his role to stand out. Maybe that's a weird form of hagiography, but that's the standard line amongst Beatles scholars.matedog wrote: ↑07 May 2020, 12:47pmHa, I was going to list Ringo in the Overrated thread. Generally a so so drummer that also happens to be probably the best known drummer. Not sure if well known equates with "overrated" though.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑07 May 2020, 12:32pmRingo. Consistently most people's fourth-favourite Beatle but nobody dislikes him. He was the steady and modest one, the one who handled the insane fame the best. He was fine letting the others be the stars, doing what needed to be done as a Beatle. He was basically the drummer for the band's persona, too. His odd speech also provided a number of catchy lyrics for the others. Such a valuable presence in the band all the way to the end.
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I think the only Sabbath member that’s probably correctly rated is Bill Ward.
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I’ll nominate Cathal Smyth of Madness.
Although originally he didn’t have an official role in the band the band will tell you that in those early days when he wasn’t there they weren’t the same band. He was the drive that kept them together.
He became major songwriting contributor with some of thier biggest hits including Our House.
He was also the driving force behind Madstock and the band reforming.
Although originally he didn’t have an official role in the band the band will tell you that in those early days when he wasn’t there they weren’t the same band. He was the drive that kept them together.
He became major songwriting contributor with some of thier biggest hits including Our House.
He was also the driving force behind Madstock and the band reforming.
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He's pretty highly regarded in drumming circles. Not Bonham level, but up there. Not sure if that's correct or not.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
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Even if he didn't underperform intentionally, he did exactly what those songs needed. Being a drummer isn't just chops, it's having taste.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑07 May 2020, 1:20pmAlmost as predictable as death and taxes, drummers who dump on Ringo. I've read many, many times that he intentionally underperformed in the Beatles because he didn't think it was his role to stand out. Maybe that's a weird form of hagiography, but that's the standard line amongst Beatles scholars.matedog wrote: ↑07 May 2020, 12:47pmHa, I was going to list Ringo in the Overrated thread. Generally a so so drummer that also happens to be probably the best known drummer. Not sure if well known equates with "overrated" though.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑07 May 2020, 12:32pmRingo. Consistently most people's fourth-favourite Beatle but nobody dislikes him. He was the steady and modest one, the one who handled the insane fame the best. He was fine letting the others be the stars, doing what needed to be done as a Beatle. He was basically the drummer for the band's persona, too. His odd speech also provided a number of catchy lyrics for the others. Such a valuable presence in the band all the way to the end.
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