So- how didn't I know the new Wire was out?

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Still waiting on my copy of 10:20 to arrive, but downloaded it elsewhere. The new tracks (the "20") are in the same vein as the last couple albums, so set your expectations accordingly. Sigh.
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I was listening to Pink Flag this morning and musing on how lucky the band were to not have been produced by Mickey Foote. Can you imagine the power of that album being hamstrung by such a thin sound?
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15 Aug 2020, 5:18pm
I was listening to Pink Flag this morning and musing on how lucky the band were to not have been produced by Mickey Foote. Can you imagine the power of that album being hamstrung by such a thin sound?
Why would Wire be produced by Mickey Foote?

Are you suggesting the first Clash album sounds thin?
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Kory wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 5:18pm
I was listening to Pink Flag this morning and musing on how lucky the band were to not have been produced by Mickey Foote. Can you imagine the power of that album being hamstrung by such a thin sound?
It helped that even at that early stage, Wire did not want to be a rock band. They were still figuring out what they were trying to do, but having a negative identity helped in the meantime.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 5:47pm
Kory wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 5:18pm
I was listening to Pink Flag this morning and musing on how lucky the band were to not have been produced by Mickey Foote. Can you imagine the power of that album being hamstrung by such a thin sound?
It helped that even at that early stage, Wire did not want to be a rock band. They were still figuring out what they were trying to do, but having a negative identity helped in the meantime.
They were very fortunate to get Mike Thorne. Working with the likes of Deep Purple and more so Soft Machine in the late 60s as a tape operator and having an ear for something a bit different.
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Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 6:01pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 5:47pm
Kory wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 5:18pm
I was listening to Pink Flag this morning and musing on how lucky the band were to not have been produced by Mickey Foote. Can you imagine the power of that album being hamstrung by such a thin sound?
It helped that even at that early stage, Wire did not want to be a rock band. They were still figuring out what they were trying to do, but having a negative identity helped in the meantime.
They were very fortunate to get Mike Thorne. Working with the likes of Deep Purple and more so Soft Machine in the late 60s as a tape operator and having an ear for something a bit different.
Very lucky, yes. It's conceivable that with a narrow-minded producer who insisted on a straight rock record that they just pack it in.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 6:08pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 6:01pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 5:47pm
Kory wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 5:18pm
I was listening to Pink Flag this morning and musing on how lucky the band were to not have been produced by Mickey Foote. Can you imagine the power of that album being hamstrung by such a thin sound?
It helped that even at that early stage, Wire did not want to be a rock band. They were still figuring out what they were trying to do, but having a negative identity helped in the meantime.
They were very fortunate to get Mike Thorne. Working with the likes of Deep Purple and more so Soft Machine in the late 60s as a tape operator and having an ear for something a bit different.
Very lucky, yes. It's conceivable that with a narrow-minded producer who insisted on a straight rock record that they just pack it in.
I'm convinced this is how they ended up on the Harvest label. Kind of the E.M.I. branch for mis-fits. They E.M.I. wanted the Pistols on that label but Malcolm was having none of it.
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Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 6:23pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 6:08pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 6:01pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 5:47pm
Kory wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 5:18pm
I was listening to Pink Flag this morning and musing on how lucky the band were to not have been produced by Mickey Foote. Can you imagine the power of that album being hamstrung by such a thin sound?
It helped that even at that early stage, Wire did not want to be a rock band. They were still figuring out what they were trying to do, but having a negative identity helped in the meantime.
They were very fortunate to get Mike Thorne. Working with the likes of Deep Purple and more so Soft Machine in the late 60s as a tape operator and having an ear for something a bit different.
Very lucky, yes. It's conceivable that with a narrow-minded producer who insisted on a straight rock record that they just pack it in.
I'm convinced this is how they ended up on the Harvest label. Kind of the E.M.I. branch for mis-fits. They E.M.I. wanted the Pistols on that label but Malcolm was having none of it.
And arty nature of Harvest's acts would have attracted Wire. And then it turned out Wire were even more anti-success than Harvest expected.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 6:28pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 6:23pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 6:08pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 6:01pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 5:47pm


It helped that even at that early stage, Wire did not want to be a rock band. They were still figuring out what they were trying to do, but having a negative identity helped in the meantime.
They were very fortunate to get Mike Thorne. Working with the likes of Deep Purple and more so Soft Machine in the late 60s as a tape operator and having an ear for something a bit different.
Very lucky, yes. It's conceivable that with a narrow-minded producer who insisted on a straight rock record that they just pack it in.
I'm convinced this is how they ended up on the Harvest label. Kind of the E.M.I. branch for mis-fits. They E.M.I. wanted the Pistols on that label but Malcolm was having none of it.
And arty nature of Harvest's acts would have attracted Wire. And then it turned out Wire were even more anti-success than Harvest expected.
I don't think Harvest had any ambitions at all for Wire. Lest forget Harvest had the biggest rock band in the world at this point in Pink Floyd.
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Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 6:55pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 6:28pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 6:23pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 6:08pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 6:01pm


They were very fortunate to get Mike Thorne. Working with the likes of Deep Purple and more so Soft Machine in the late 60s as a tape operator and having an ear for something a bit different.
Very lucky, yes. It's conceivable that with a narrow-minded producer who insisted on a straight rock record that they just pack it in.
I'm convinced this is how they ended up on the Harvest label. Kind of the E.M.I. branch for mis-fits. They E.M.I. wanted the Pistols on that label but Malcolm was having none of it.
And arty nature of Harvest's acts would have attracted Wire. And then it turned out Wire were even more anti-success than Harvest expected.
I don't think Harvest had any ambitions at all for Wire. Lest forget Harvest had the biggest rock band in the world at this point in Pink Floyd.
Perhaps not at first, but my understanding is that relations between band and label broke down by Wire wanting to go in more avant directions while the label thought they could have some pop success if they tried harder.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 7:01pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 6:55pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 6:28pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 6:23pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 6:08pm

Very lucky, yes. It's conceivable that with a narrow-minded producer who insisted on a straight rock record that they just pack it in.
I'm convinced this is how they ended up on the Harvest label. Kind of the E.M.I. branch for mis-fits. They E.M.I. wanted the Pistols on that label but Malcolm was having none of it.
And arty nature of Harvest's acts would have attracted Wire. And then it turned out Wire were even more anti-success than Harvest expected.
I don't think Harvest had any ambitions at all for Wire. Lest forget Harvest had the biggest rock band in the world at this point in Pink Floyd.
Perhaps not at first, but my understanding is that relations between band and label broke down by Wire wanting to go in more avant directions while the label thought they could have some pop success if they tried harder.
Well then I suppose Harvest with the view of hindsight were partially correct. As the band achieved some small pop success on Mute with Eardrum Buzz.
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Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 7:39pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 7:01pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 6:55pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 6:28pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 6:23pm


I'm convinced this is how they ended up on the Harvest label. Kind of the E.M.I. branch for mis-fits. They E.M.I. wanted the Pistols on that label but Malcolm was having none of it.
And arty nature of Harvest's acts would have attracted Wire. And then it turned out Wire were even more anti-success than Harvest expected.
I don't think Harvest had any ambitions at all for Wire. Lest forget Harvest had the biggest rock band in the world at this point in Pink Floyd.
Perhaps not at first, but my understanding is that relations between band and label broke down by Wire wanting to go in more avant directions while the label thought they could have some pop success if they tried harder.
Well then I suppose Harvest with the view of hindsight were partially correct. As the band achieved some small pop success on Mute with Eardrum Buzz.
Very small. Colin Newman has blamed Bruce Gilbert for scuttling the band's pop successes, but I really don't think any of them care for that, Bruce was just more honest. They could write some chart friendly-ish stuff but mostly put in a lemon drop to keep people away.

Also, I was wearing my "Eardrum Buzz" shirt yesterday. Because I'm cool.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 8:08pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 7:39pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 7:01pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 6:55pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 6:28pm


And arty nature of Harvest's acts would have attracted Wire. And then it turned out Wire were even more anti-success than Harvest expected.
I don't think Harvest had any ambitions at all for Wire. Lest forget Harvest had the biggest rock band in the world at this point in Pink Floyd.
Perhaps not at first, but my understanding is that relations between band and label broke down by Wire wanting to go in more avant directions while the label thought they could have some pop success if they tried harder.
Well then I suppose Harvest with the view of hindsight were partially correct. As the band achieved some small pop success on Mute with Eardrum Buzz.
Very small. Colin Newman has blamed Bruce Gilbert for scuttling the band's pop successes, but I really don't think any of them care for that, Bruce was just more honest. They could write some chart friendly-ish stuff but mostly put in a lemon drop to keep people away.

Also, I was wearing my "Eardrum Buzz" shirt yesterday. Because I'm cool.
I agree you were definitely cool...yesterday. ;)
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Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 8:32pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 8:08pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 7:39pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 7:01pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 6:55pm


I don't think Harvest had any ambitions at all for Wire. Lest forget Harvest had the biggest rock band in the world at this point in Pink Floyd.
Perhaps not at first, but my understanding is that relations between band and label broke down by Wire wanting to go in more avant directions while the label thought they could have some pop success if they tried harder.
Well then I suppose Harvest with the view of hindsight were partially correct. As the band achieved some small pop success on Mute with Eardrum Buzz.
Very small. Colin Newman has blamed Bruce Gilbert for scuttling the band's pop successes, but I really don't think any of them care for that, Bruce was just more honest. They could write some chart friendly-ish stuff but mostly put in a lemon drop to keep people away.

Also, I was wearing my "Eardrum Buzz" shirt yesterday. Because I'm cool.
I agree you were definitely cool...yesterday. ;)
I wasn't actually cool.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 9:41pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 8:32pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 8:08pm
Marky Dread wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 7:39pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 7:01pm


Perhaps not at first, but my understanding is that relations between band and label broke down by Wire wanting to go in more avant directions while the label thought they could have some pop success if they tried harder.
Well then I suppose Harvest with the view of hindsight were partially correct. As the band achieved some small pop success on Mute with Eardrum Buzz.
Very small. Colin Newman has blamed Bruce Gilbert for scuttling the band's pop successes, but I really don't think any of them care for that, Bruce was just more honest. They could write some chart friendly-ish stuff but mostly put in a lemon drop to keep people away.

Also, I was wearing my "Eardrum Buzz" shirt yesterday. Because I'm cool.
I agree you were definitely cool...yesterday. ;)
I wasn't actually cool.
That's what makes you cool. ;)
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