Re: Who Won the Breakup?
Posted: 13 Mar 2021, 3:47pm
This is true %100.
The question should've been which band was best. Both are brilliant but maybe people have a preference.
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Who Won the Breakup?
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Re: Who Won the Breakup?
Posted: 13 Mar 2021, 4:37pm
The question should've been which band was best. Both are brilliant but maybe people have a preference.
Re: Who Won the Breakup?
Posted: 13 Mar 2021, 4:44pm
Reluctantly decided to vote Voidoids. blank Generation and marquee moon are both equally titanic, but i guess I rate destiny street better than just about anything else television did
Re: Who Won the Breakup?
Posted: 13 Mar 2021, 4:49pm
Re: Who Won the Breakup?
Posted: 14 Mar 2021, 1:33pm
Yup. Richard jumped around a little bit back then.Sparky wrote: ↑12 Mar 2021, 8:30pmI believe Richard Hell left Television, joined Johnny Thunders to help form the Heartbreakers, left them to form the Voidoids.
Re: Who Won the Breakup?
Posted: 14 Mar 2021, 1:54pm
Did Richard Hell ever get a UK diss track? You know, like Television got on Idiot Box by the Damned? Or New York by the Pistols? I feel like Lydon would’ve had a huge defensive chip on his shoulders because of the accusation floating around that he stole his fashion from Hell, but I don’t remember a specific call out.
For the record, much like I think punk was a scene that was bound to develop independently in any economically depressed arty area in the 70s (based on strands of both reaction and elaboration on themes developed in the 60s), I think the ripped clothing look was too, so I don’t know if it was “stolen” from anyone.
For the record, much like I think punk was a scene that was bound to develop independently in any economically depressed arty area in the 70s (based on strands of both reaction and elaboration on themes developed in the 60s), I think the ripped clothing look was too, so I don’t know if it was “stolen” from anyone.
Re: Who Won the Breakup?
Posted: 14 Mar 2021, 2:04pm
No is the answer. When Richard played London Lydon got up on the stage and got the crowd to get him back for an encore. He (Lydon) had a lot of Respect for Hell.Wolter wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021, 1:54pmDid Richard Hell ever get a UK diss track? You know, like Television got on Idiot Box by the Damned? Or New York by the Pistols? I feel like Lydon would’ve had a huge defensive chip on his shoulders because of the accusation floating around that he stole his fashion from Hell, but I don’t remember a specific call out.
For the record, much like I think punk was a scene that was bound to develop independently in any economically depressed arty area in the 70s (based on strands of both reaction and elaboration on themes developed in the 60s), I think the ripped clothing look was too, so I don’t know if it was “stolen” from anyone.
The second part of your post is spot on. A lot has been made about Hell having his image ripped off mainly by the punk historians. But it's simply not backed up by any facts. Lydon had short green hair in late '75. Lydon really owes his ripped up image to poverty and as inspiration of wearing thrift shop clothes that goes to Ian Dury.
The only inspiration that Hell had on the Pistols was Malcolm bringing back a flyer for Blank Generation and glen using the title for inspiration for Pretty Vacant.
Re: Who Won the Breakup?
Posted: 14 Mar 2021, 2:07pm
Interesting that Hell played Blank Generation with Television, The Heartbreakers and with The Voidoids. A much misinterpreted song also. The "Blank" in the title is meant to be a blank space for the listener to insert his own word.
Re: Who Won the Breakup?
Posted: 14 Mar 2021, 2:37pm
Honestly, had punk never existed, my poor ass would’ve still mostly worn ripped, secondhand clothes throughout my teens and twenties. Probably held together by safety pins because I was no good with sewing and repairing.Marky Dread wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021, 2:04pmNo is the answer. When Richard played London Lydon got up on the stage and got the crowd to get him back for an encore. He (Lydon) had a lot of Respect for Hell.Wolter wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021, 1:54pmDid Richard Hell ever get a UK diss track? You know, like Television got on Idiot Box by the Damned? Or New York by the Pistols? I feel like Lydon would’ve had a huge defensive chip on his shoulders because of the accusation floating around that he stole his fashion from Hell, but I don’t remember a specific call out.
For the record, much like I think punk was a scene that was bound to develop independently in any economically depressed arty area in the 70s (based on strands of both reaction and elaboration on themes developed in the 60s), I think the ripped clothing look was too, so I don’t know if it was “stolen” from anyone.
The second part of your post is spot on. A lot has been made about Hell having his image ripped off mainly by the punk historians. But it's simply not backed up by any facts. Lydon had short green hair in late '75. Lydon really owes his ripped up image to poverty and as inspiration of wearing thrift shop clothes that goes to Ian Dury.
The only inspiration that Hell had on the Pistols was Malcolm bringing back a flyer for Blank Generation and glen using the title for inspiration for Pretty Vacant.
Re: Who Won the Breakup?
Posted: 14 Mar 2021, 2:45pm
Yeah I mean "punk image" is a bit of a joke when you look at the early bands just making do with what was around that looked a bit different to the then 70s bands. It became an orchestrated look later on. I guess if you look at Rancid for an example (not a put down/a fine band) but they are a classic case of buying into the punk uniform.Wolter wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021, 2:37pmHonestly, had punk never existed, my poor ass would’ve still mostly worn ripped, secondhand clothes throughout my teens and twenties. Probably held together by safety pins because I was no good with sewing and repairing.Marky Dread wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021, 2:04pmNo is the answer. When Richard played London Lydon got up on the stage and got the crowd to get him back for an encore. He (Lydon) had a lot of Respect for Hell.Wolter wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021, 1:54pmDid Richard Hell ever get a UK diss track? You know, like Television got on Idiot Box by the Damned? Or New York by the Pistols? I feel like Lydon would’ve had a huge defensive chip on his shoulders because of the accusation floating around that he stole his fashion from Hell, but I don’t remember a specific call out.
For the record, much like I think punk was a scene that was bound to develop independently in any economically depressed arty area in the 70s (based on strands of both reaction and elaboration on themes developed in the 60s), I think the ripped clothing look was too, so I don’t know if it was “stolen” from anyone.
The second part of your post is spot on. A lot has been made about Hell having his image ripped off mainly by the punk historians. But it's simply not backed up by any facts. Lydon had short green hair in late '75. Lydon really owes his ripped up image to poverty and as inspiration of wearing thrift shop clothes that goes to Ian Dury.
The only inspiration that Hell had on the Pistols was Malcolm bringing back a flyer for Blank Generation and glen using the title for inspiration for Pretty Vacant.
Re: Who Won the Breakup?
Posted: 14 Mar 2021, 2:46pm
Honestly, as a broke teen in the early 90s I couldn’t afford to look like Rancid, et al. But I could afford to look like most 70s punks.Marky Dread wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021, 2:45pmYeah I mean "punk image" is a bit of a joke when you look at the early bands just making do with what was around that looked a bit different to the then 70s bands. It became an orchestrated look later on. I guess if you look at Rancid for an example (not a put down/a fine band) but they are a classic case of buying into the punk uniform.Wolter wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021, 2:37pmHonestly, had punk never existed, my poor ass would’ve still mostly worn ripped, secondhand clothes throughout my teens and twenties. Probably held together by safety pins because I was no good with sewing and repairing.Marky Dread wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021, 2:04pmNo is the answer. When Richard played London Lydon got up on the stage and got the crowd to get him back for an encore. He (Lydon) had a lot of Respect for Hell.Wolter wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021, 1:54pmDid Richard Hell ever get a UK diss track? You know, like Television got on Idiot Box by the Damned? Or New York by the Pistols? I feel like Lydon would’ve had a huge defensive chip on his shoulders because of the accusation floating around that he stole his fashion from Hell, but I don’t remember a specific call out.
For the record, much like I think punk was a scene that was bound to develop independently in any economically depressed arty area in the 70s (based on strands of both reaction and elaboration on themes developed in the 60s), I think the ripped clothing look was too, so I don’t know if it was “stolen” from anyone.
The second part of your post is spot on. A lot has been made about Hell having his image ripped off mainly by the punk historians. But it's simply not backed up by any facts. Lydon had short green hair in late '75. Lydon really owes his ripped up image to poverty and as inspiration of wearing thrift shop clothes that goes to Ian Dury.
The only inspiration that Hell had on the Pistols was Malcolm bringing back a flyer for Blank Generation and glen using the title for inspiration for Pretty Vacant.
Re: Who Won the Breakup?
Posted: 14 Mar 2021, 3:05pm
Yeah The Replacements were punk enough.Wolter wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021, 2:46pmHonestly, as a broke teen in the early 90s I couldn’t afford to look like Rancid, et al. But I could afford to look like most 70s punks.Marky Dread wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021, 2:45pmYeah I mean "punk image" is a bit of a joke when you look at the early bands just making do with what was around that looked a bit different to the then 70s bands. It became an orchestrated look later on. I guess if you look at Rancid for an example (not a put down/a fine band) but they are a classic case of buying into the punk uniform.Wolter wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021, 2:37pmHonestly, had punk never existed, my poor ass would’ve still mostly worn ripped, secondhand clothes throughout my teens and twenties. Probably held together by safety pins because I was no good with sewing and repairing.Marky Dread wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021, 2:04pmNo is the answer. When Richard played London Lydon got up on the stage and got the crowd to get him back for an encore. He (Lydon) had a lot of Respect for Hell.Wolter wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021, 1:54pmDid Richard Hell ever get a UK diss track? You know, like Television got on Idiot Box by the Damned? Or New York by the Pistols? I feel like Lydon would’ve had a huge defensive chip on his shoulders because of the accusation floating around that he stole his fashion from Hell, but I don’t remember a specific call out.
For the record, much like I think punk was a scene that was bound to develop independently in any economically depressed arty area in the 70s (based on strands of both reaction and elaboration on themes developed in the 60s), I think the ripped clothing look was too, so I don’t know if it was “stolen” from anyone.
The second part of your post is spot on. A lot has been made about Hell having his image ripped off mainly by the punk historians. But it's simply not backed up by any facts. Lydon had short green hair in late '75. Lydon really owes his ripped up image to poverty and as inspiration of wearing thrift shop clothes that goes to Ian Dury.
The only inspiration that Hell had on the Pistols was Malcolm bringing back a flyer for Blank Generation and glen using the title for inspiration for Pretty Vacant.
Re: Who Won the Breakup?
Posted: 14 Mar 2021, 4:33pm
Paul Westerberg definitely looked like everyone I grew up around in the 80s.Marky Dread wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021, 3:05pmYeah The Replacements were punk enough.Wolter wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021, 2:46pmHonestly, as a broke teen in the early 90s I couldn’t afford to look like Rancid, et al. But I could afford to look like most 70s punks.Marky Dread wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021, 2:45pmYeah I mean "punk image" is a bit of a joke when you look at the early bands just making do with what was around that looked a bit different to the then 70s bands. It became an orchestrated look later on. I guess if you look at Rancid for an example (not a put down/a fine band) but they are a classic case of buying into the punk uniform.Wolter wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021, 2:37pmHonestly, had punk never existed, my poor ass would’ve still mostly worn ripped, secondhand clothes throughout my teens and twenties. Probably held together by safety pins because I was no good with sewing and repairing.Marky Dread wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021, 2:04pm
No is the answer. When Richard played London Lydon got up on the stage and got the crowd to get him back for an encore. He (Lydon) had a lot of Respect for Hell.
The second part of your post is spot on. A lot has been made about Hell having his image ripped off mainly by the punk historians. But it's simply not backed up by any facts. Lydon had short green hair in late '75. Lydon really owes his ripped up image to poverty and as inspiration of wearing thrift shop clothes that goes to Ian Dury.
The only inspiration that Hell had on the Pistols was Malcolm bringing back a flyer for Blank Generation and glen using the title for inspiration for Pretty Vacant.
Re: Who Won the Breakup?
Posted: 14 Mar 2021, 4:42pm
Always a cool guy.Wolter wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021, 4:33pmPaul Westerberg definitely looked like everyone I grew up around in the 80s.Marky Dread wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021, 3:05pmYeah The Replacements were punk enough.Wolter wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021, 2:46pmHonestly, as a broke teen in the early 90s I couldn’t afford to look like Rancid, et al. But I could afford to look like most 70s punks.Marky Dread wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021, 2:45pmYeah I mean "punk image" is a bit of a joke when you look at the early bands just making do with what was around that looked a bit different to the then 70s bands. It became an orchestrated look later on. I guess if you look at Rancid for an example (not a put down/a fine band) but they are a classic case of buying into the punk uniform.
Re: Who Won the Breakup?
Posted: 14 Mar 2021, 4:47pm
Hello,
With the advent of MTV, the punk uniform became an identity. Lots of US kids wanted an identity, so this became a cool one for some.
With the advent of MTV, the punk uniform became an identity. Lots of US kids wanted an identity, so this became a cool one for some.