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Marky Dread wrote:
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RockNRollWhore wrote:
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One of my favorite latter day manics B sides:


Lifeblood is actually right up there with JFPL as being my favorite manics record of the new millennium. I find a lot of their other stuff to be bland dad rock these days but really love when they branch out. Rewind the film is also pretty good and affecting. Futurology is total garbage though IMO. It’s a cheesy simple minds rip off.
I don't agree about Futurology being a Simple Minds rip off. That's a very lazy statement my friend. It's got a lot of post punk credentials.
I mean part of it is Nicky Wire’s lyrics. I don’t know what happened to him. He’s become so hamfisted recently. Coming from the person who wrote A Design For Life, this is even more shocking. Send away the tigers is where I think the decline really started.

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RockNRollWhore wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 8:45am
Marky Dread wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 8:37am
RockNRollWhore wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 8:30am
One of my favorite latter day manics B sides:


Lifeblood is actually right up there with JFPL as being my favorite manics record of the new millennium. I find a lot of their other stuff to be bland dad rock these days but really love when they branch out. Rewind the film is also pretty good and affecting. Futurology is total garbage though IMO. It’s a cheesy simple minds rip off.
I don't agree about Futurology being a Simple Minds rip off. That's a very lazy statement my friend. It's got a lot of post punk credentials.
I mean part of it is Nicky Wire’s lyrics. I don’t know what happened to him. He’s become so hamfisted recently. Coming from the person who wrote A Design For Life, this is even more shocking. Send away the tigers is where I think the decline really started.
So you've gone from criticising the album from being a Simple Minds rip off to Nicky Wire's lyrics not being good enough. I'm baffled as their are some great lyrics on that record.
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Marky Dread wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 9:21am
RockNRollWhore wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 8:45am
Marky Dread wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 8:37am
RockNRollWhore wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 8:30am
One of my favorite latter day manics B sides:


Lifeblood is actually right up there with JFPL as being my favorite manics record of the new millennium. I find a lot of their other stuff to be bland dad rock these days but really love when they branch out. Rewind the film is also pretty good and affecting. Futurology is total garbage though IMO. It’s a cheesy simple minds rip off.
I don't agree about Futurology being a Simple Minds rip off. That's a very lazy statement my friend. It's got a lot of post punk credentials.
I mean part of it is Nicky Wire’s lyrics. I don’t know what happened to him. He’s become so hamfisted recently. Coming from the person who wrote A Design For Life, this is even more shocking. Send away the tigers is where I think the decline really started.
So you've gone from criticising the album from being a Simple Minds rip off to Nicky Wire's lyrics not being good enough. I'm baffled as their are some great lyrics on that record.
I said part of it. Both factors make it pretty meh for me. Now with that being I said I think the lyrics on rewind the film are fantastic.

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RockNRollWhore wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 9:40am
Marky Dread wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 9:21am
RockNRollWhore wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 8:45am
Marky Dread wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 8:37am
RockNRollWhore wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 8:30am
One of my favorite latter day manics B sides:


Lifeblood is actually right up there with JFPL as being my favorite manics record of the new millennium. I find a lot of their other stuff to be bland dad rock these days but really love when they branch out. Rewind the film is also pretty good and affecting. Futurology is total garbage though IMO. It’s a cheesy simple minds rip off.
I don't agree about Futurology being a Simple Minds rip off. That's a very lazy statement my friend. It's got a lot of post punk credentials.
I mean part of it is Nicky Wire’s lyrics. I don’t know what happened to him. He’s become so hamfisted recently. Coming from the person who wrote A Design For Life, this is even more shocking. Send away the tigers is where I think the decline really started.
So you've gone from criticising the album from being a Simple Minds rip off to Nicky Wire's lyrics not being good enough. I'm baffled as their are some great lyrics on that record.
I said part of it. Both factors make it pretty meh for me. Now with that being I said I think the lyrics on rewind the film are fantastic.
Well of course you are more than entitled to your opinion and it's all a matter of personal taste. I think it's a really great record that ticks all the right boxes for me. Angular post punk guitar plus elements of kraut rock. It has a vibrancy and emergency thats is classic Manics and nothing like dad rock.
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The top slot has to be The Holy Bible.

2nd for me is Everything Must Go. It knocked me over the first time I heard it - sounding so unlike THB, but it made sense - the band making a statement that they were still there.

Generation Terrorists. I love the songs, but production sounds a little dated these days and for the love of God... why didn't they let Sean drum on the LP? I really don't like the programmed drums.

This Is My Truth is an album that has grown on me. The first half is great, but for years I felt the 2nd half sagged. Not anymore. It's better than I gave it credit for and Be Natural has become one of my fave MSP tracks.

Gold Against the Soul. It's good and honestly on another day I might swap it out with GT. The band sounds more confident and JDB is in full guitar god mode.

I love the MSP discussion. They're a top-5 band for me. Let's rank the next 5 albums next ;)
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RockNRollWhore wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 8:30am
One of my favorite latter day manics B sides:


Lifeblood is actually right up there with JFPL as being my favorite manics record of the new millennium. I find a lot of their other stuff to be bland dad rock these days but really love when they branch out. Rewind the film is also pretty good and affecting. Futurology is total garbage though IMO. It’s a cheesy simple minds rip off.
Lifeblood is a damned fine LP. They've never released anything I don't like, though I agree that as they get older they've gotten less riskier musically. I'm okay with that because they still manage to be interesting. I really dug JDB's Even In Exile from last year... it was more musically engaging than anything MSP has put out in recent years. That said, I also enjoyed Resistence.
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WestwayKid wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 10:30am
RockNRollWhore wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 8:30am
One of my favorite latter day manics B sides:


Lifeblood is actually right up there with JFPL as being my favorite manics record of the new millennium. I find a lot of their other stuff to be bland dad rock these days but really love when they branch out. Rewind the film is also pretty good and affecting. Futurology is total garbage though IMO. It’s a cheesy simple minds rip off.
Lifeblood is a damned fine LP. They've never released anything I don't like, though I agree that as they get older they've gotten less riskier musically. I'm okay with that because they still manage to be interesting. I really dug JDB's Even In Exile from last year... it was more musically engaging than anything MSP has put out in recent years. That said, I also enjoyed Resistence.
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Marky Dread wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 11:01am
WestwayKid wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 10:30am
RockNRollWhore wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 8:30am
One of my favorite latter day manics B sides:


Lifeblood is actually right up there with JFPL as being my favorite manics record of the new millennium. I find a lot of their other stuff to be bland dad rock these days but really love when they branch out. Rewind the film is also pretty good and affecting. Futurology is total garbage though IMO. It’s a cheesy simple minds rip off.
Lifeblood is a damned fine LP. They've never released anything I don't like, though I agree that as they get older they've gotten less riskier musically. I'm okay with that because they still manage to be interesting. I really dug JDB's Even In Exile from last year... it was more musically engaging than anything MSP has put out in recent years. That said, I also enjoyed Resistence.
It's all futile mate. ;)
Even in exile was a fantastic record. Some really interesting chord progressions and riffs on that record. I feel like JDB kind of tones down his playing on Manics records these days. Ironically enough it’s also more politically charged than anything the manics have done in years.

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WestwayKid wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 10:27am
The top slot has to be The Holy Bible.

2nd for me is Everything Must Go. It knocked me over the first time I heard it - sounding so unlike THB, but it made sense - the band making a statement that they were still there.

Generation Terrorists. I love the songs, but production sounds a little dated these days and for the love of God... why didn't they let Sean drum on the LP? I really don't like the programmed drums.

This Is My Truth is an album that has grown on me. The first half is great, but for years I felt the 2nd half sagged. Not anymore. It's better than I gave it credit for and Be Natural has become one of my fave MSP tracks.

Gold Against the Soul. It's good and honestly on another day I might swap it out with GT. The band sounds more confident and JDB is in full guitar god mode.

I love the MSP discussion. They're a top-5 band for me. Let's rank the next 5 albums next ;)
Generation Terrorists was produced by Steve Brown who had done work with The Cult. I've always thought he was the wrong guy. The multi tracking way he recorded that record instrument by instrument was stupid they were a great live band. I know they were enamored with Guns 'n' Roses Appetite for Destruction and the early Public Enemy stuff and wanted a big rock sound with some other stuff to be produced by Chuck D who they never got and had to compromise. They should've recorded it as a full band and then overdubbed. This would've given the album a much more organic feel. James was a massive Bollocks and London Calling fan and it would've been immense if they could've got Bill Price.

Check out the footage of the band playing the Marquee just before the release of the album to see how good they were. The footage is included on the dvd with the deluxe edition I'm sure it's on YouTube. I'm in that footage right in front of the stage.

When the band were recording Gold Against the Soul in Checkendon just outside Oxford they (James & Sean) took a night off to come down to my home town of Reading to watch Radiohead at the After Dark club. I chatted with them in the crowd and they remembered me from when they played the same club promoting Generation Terrorists. Really cool guys.
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Marky Dread wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 11:30am
WestwayKid wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 10:27am
The top slot has to be The Holy Bible.

2nd for me is Everything Must Go. It knocked me over the first time I heard it - sounding so unlike THB, but it made sense - the band making a statement that they were still there.

Generation Terrorists. I love the songs, but production sounds a little dated these days and for the love of God... why didn't they let Sean drum on the LP? I really don't like the programmed drums.

This Is My Truth is an album that has grown on me. The first half is great, but for years I felt the 2nd half sagged. Not anymore. It's better than I gave it credit for and Be Natural has become one of my fave MSP tracks.

Gold Against the Soul. It's good and honestly on another day I might swap it out with GT. The band sounds more confident and JDB is in full guitar god mode.

I love the MSP discussion. They're a top-5 band for me. Let's rank the next 5 albums next ;)
Generation Terrorists was produced by Steve Brown who had done work with The Cult. I've always thought he was the wrong guy. The multi tracking way he recorded that record instrument by instrument was stupid they were a great live band. I know they were enamored with Guns 'n' Roses Appetite for Destruction and the early Public Enemy stuff and wanted a big rock sound with some other stuff to be produced by Chuck D who they never got and had to compromise. They should've recorded it as a full band and then overdubbed. This would've given the album a much more organic feel. James was a massive Bollocks and London Calling fan and it would've been immense if they could've got Bill Price.

Check out the footage of the band playing the Marquee just before the release of the album to see how good they were. The footage is included on the dvd with the deluxe edition I'm sure it's on YouTube. I'm in that footage right in front of the stage.

When the band were recording Gold Against the Soul in Checkendon just outside Oxford they (James & Sean) took a night off to come down to my home town of Reading to watch Radiohead at the After Dark club. I chatted with them in the crowd and they remembered me from when they played the same club promoting Generation Terrorists. Really cool guys.
I actually adore how over the top that record sounds,
Drum machine included. The funniest part of the whole thing was they spent something like 1.5 million making the thing, and a large sum of that went towards getting ex Pornstar Traci Lords to sing on the record and gambling on slot machines. Re the multitracking; I’m pretty sure the only member who actually plays on that record is JDB, even the bass parts are him. Damn dog and crucifix kiss might be live band takes but I can’t tell for certain.

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This should have been on the LP


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Marky Dread wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 11:30am
WestwayKid wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 10:27am
The top slot has to be The Holy Bible.

2nd for me is Everything Must Go. It knocked me over the first time I heard it - sounding so unlike THB, but it made sense - the band making a statement that they were still there.

Generation Terrorists. I love the songs, but production sounds a little dated these days and for the love of God... why didn't they let Sean drum on the LP? I really don't like the programmed drums.

This Is My Truth is an album that has grown on me. The first half is great, but for years I felt the 2nd half sagged. Not anymore. It's better than I gave it credit for and Be Natural has become one of my fave MSP tracks.

Gold Against the Soul. It's good and honestly on another day I might swap it out with GT. The band sounds more confident and JDB is in full guitar god mode.

I love the MSP discussion. They're a top-5 band for me. Let's rank the next 5 albums next ;)
Generation Terrorists was produced by Steve Brown who had done work with The Cult. I've always thought he was the wrong guy. The multi tracking way he recorded that record instrument by instrument was stupid they were a great live band. I know they were enamored with Guns 'n' Roses Appetite for Destruction and the early Public Enemy stuff and wanted a big rock sound with some other stuff to be produced by Chuck D who they never got and had to compromise. They should've recorded it as a full band and then overdubbed. This would've given the album a much more organic feel. James was a massive Bollocks and London Calling fan and it would've been immense if they could've got Bill Price.

Check out the footage of the band playing the Marquee just before the release of the album to see how good they were. The footage is included on the dvd with the deluxe edition I'm sure it's on YouTube. I'm in that footage right in front of the stage.

When the band were recording Gold Against the Soul in Checkendon just outside Oxford they (James & Sean) took a night off to come down to my home town of Reading to watch Radiohead at the After Dark club. I chatted with them in the crowd and they remembered me from when they played the same club promoting Generation Terrorists. Really cool guys.
In which case can you have a word with them about re-re-mastering Gold Against The Soul?

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laxman wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 11:52am
Marky Dread wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 11:30am
WestwayKid wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 10:27am
The top slot has to be The Holy Bible.

2nd for me is Everything Must Go. It knocked me over the first time I heard it - sounding so unlike THB, but it made sense - the band making a statement that they were still there.

Generation Terrorists. I love the songs, but production sounds a little dated these days and for the love of God... why didn't they let Sean drum on the LP? I really don't like the programmed drums.

This Is My Truth is an album that has grown on me. The first half is great, but for years I felt the 2nd half sagged. Not anymore. It's better than I gave it credit for and Be Natural has become one of my fave MSP tracks.

Gold Against the Soul. It's good and honestly on another day I might swap it out with GT. The band sounds more confident and JDB is in full guitar god mode.

I love the MSP discussion. They're a top-5 band for me. Let's rank the next 5 albums next ;)
Generation Terrorists was produced by Steve Brown who had done work with The Cult. I've always thought he was the wrong guy. The multi tracking way he recorded that record instrument by instrument was stupid they were a great live band. I know they were enamored with Guns 'n' Roses Appetite for Destruction and the early Public Enemy stuff and wanted a big rock sound with some other stuff to be produced by Chuck D who they never got and had to compromise. They should've recorded it as a full band and then overdubbed. This would've given the album a much more organic feel. James was a massive Bollocks and London Calling fan and it would've been immense if they could've got Bill Price.

Check out the footage of the band playing the Marquee just before the release of the album to see how good they were. The footage is included on the dvd with the deluxe edition I'm sure it's on YouTube. I'm in that footage right in front of the stage.

When the band were recording Gold Against the Soul in Checkendon just outside Oxford they (James & Sean) took a night off to come down to my home town of Reading to watch Radiohead at the After Dark club. I chatted with them in the crowd and they remembered me from when they played the same club promoting Generation Terrorists. Really cool guys.
In which case can you have a word with them about re-re-mastering Gold Against The Soul?
I've got the deluxe edition sat on my shelves but I've yet had chance to play it. Along with a shed load of other stuff. Replacements/Kinks/Small Faces/Ultravox box sets all yet to be played plus another 400 cds at least. If I take time to listen to stuff I own you don't get so many remasters...simple. I'll get my own life back one day. ;)
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RockNRollWhore wrote:
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This should have been on the LP

It's on the US version ;)
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RockNRollWhore wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 11:37am
Marky Dread wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 11:30am
WestwayKid wrote:
19 Mar 2021, 10:27am
The top slot has to be The Holy Bible.

2nd for me is Everything Must Go. It knocked me over the first time I heard it - sounding so unlike THB, but it made sense - the band making a statement that they were still there.

Generation Terrorists. I love the songs, but production sounds a little dated these days and for the love of God... why didn't they let Sean drum on the LP? I really don't like the programmed drums.

This Is My Truth is an album that has grown on me. The first half is great, but for years I felt the 2nd half sagged. Not anymore. It's better than I gave it credit for and Be Natural has become one of my fave MSP tracks.

Gold Against the Soul. It's good and honestly on another day I might swap it out with GT. The band sounds more confident and JDB is in full guitar god mode.

I love the MSP discussion. They're a top-5 band for me. Let's rank the next 5 albums next ;)
Generation Terrorists was produced by Steve Brown who had done work with The Cult. I've always thought he was the wrong guy. The multi tracking way he recorded that record instrument by instrument was stupid they were a great live band. I know they were enamored with Guns 'n' Roses Appetite for Destruction and the early Public Enemy stuff and wanted a big rock sound with some other stuff to be produced by Chuck D who they never got and had to compromise. They should've recorded it as a full band and then overdubbed. This would've given the album a much more organic feel. James was a massive Bollocks and London Calling fan and it would've been immense if they could've got Bill Price.

Check out the footage of the band playing the Marquee just before the release of the album to see how good they were. The footage is included on the dvd with the deluxe edition I'm sure it's on YouTube. I'm in that footage right in front of the stage.

When the band were recording Gold Against the Soul in Checkendon just outside Oxford they (James & Sean) took a night off to come down to my home town of Reading to watch Radiohead at the After Dark club. I chatted with them in the crowd and they remembered me from when they played the same club promoting Generation Terrorists. Really cool guys.
I actually adore how over the top that record sounds,
Drum machine included. The funniest part of the whole thing was they spent something like 1.5 million making the thing, and a large sum of that went towards getting ex Pornstar Traci Lords to sing on the record and gambling on slot machines. Re the multitracking; I’m pretty sure the only member who actually plays on that record is JDB, even the bass parts are him. Damn dog and crucifix kiss might be live band takes but I can’t tell for certain.
I believe you're right about that. NW is credited with playing bass, but I've always heard it was JDB.
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