So are we supposed to pick just 1983 or is it a 39-year spread, all the way to the present?
1983 onwards... Remember real music died at the end of 1982.
Holy shit that’s a 40 year period.
anything you fancy sir?
I seriously wouldn't know where to start. That's pretty much the entire history of hip hop, for example.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
Duck Rock came out in '83 so I'm pretty sure Heston would be fine concluding the history of hip hop right there.
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a bowl of soup
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a rolling hoop
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a ton of lead
Wiggle - you can raise the dead
Duck Rock came out in '83 so I'm pretty sure Heston would be fine concluding the history of hip hop right there.
"Rapture" came out in 1981, the alpha and omega of hip hop.
"I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back in Whittier, they're not much bigger than two meters.'" - Richard Nixon, Checkers Speech, abandoned early draft
Duck Rock came out in '83 so I'm pretty sure Heston would be fine concluding the history of hip hop right there.
"Rapture" came out in 1981, the alpha and omega of hip hop.
Duck Rock is great fun though.
Rap and Hip Hop are not one and the same?
Strictly speaking, no. Hip hop is the larger form, encompassing the music, fashion, and, at least in the past, breakdancing, while rap is the vocal part. The term hip hop came first, tho, originating when the DJ and his mixes were the main attraction. It was later that the MC took prominence and the music started to be called rap. But, really, the distinction isn't a big deal.
"I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back in Whittier, they're not much bigger than two meters.'" - Richard Nixon, Checkers Speech, abandoned early draft
I think The Last Poets from the late 60s can lay claim to owning Rap.
I lean towards Jamaican toasters (if you're going to privilege any one influence over the other) given that hip hop's founding DJs had strong Jamaican roots.
"I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back in Whittier, they're not much bigger than two meters.'" - Richard Nixon, Checkers Speech, abandoned early draft
Have to say a quick scroll through the 83 charts does reveal some good and even great tracks, but nothing like the depth of quality you had just a couple of years before. Thought I'd find dozens of tracks I'd forgotten or overlooked but not really that many at all tbh. Think most of best of that year being mentioned already.
I think it's important to know what tracks were in the so called Indie charts at the same time. As there are some carckers. But it's '83 and beyond so many more to choose from.
It's not just "chart" music but all music.
I thought he recognized the validity of a song if it properly charted.
I think The Last Poets from the late 60s can lay claim to owning Rap.
I lean towards Jamaican toasters (if you're going to privilege any one influence over the other) given that hip hop's founding DJs had strong Jamaican roots.
I think that's a more commonly accepted origin. Rapping was rooted in MC toasting which came from Jamaican toasters. The poetry aspect of rap came about later. Rap was originally of the "wave your hands like you just don't care" variety.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
I think The Last Poets from the late 60s can lay claim to owning Rap.
I lean towards Jamaican toasters (if you're going to privilege any one influence over the other) given that hip hop's founding DJs had strong Jamaican roots.
I think that's a more commonly accepted origin. Rapping was rooted in MC toasting which came from Jamaican toasters. The poetry aspect of rap came about later. Rap was originally of the "wave your hands like you just don't care" variety.
Right, MCing emerged because hip hop was a live experience, all about working the crowd thru the mixes and the voice. Some DJs early on tried to interact with the crowd, calling out certain people's names, complimenting or teasing them, but the more elaborate the DJ work became, the more a separate MC was required to do that work. Inevitably, really talented MCs started developing their own prepared routines that became poems/lyrics. And especially once those guys went into the studio, prepared work was absolutely necessary.
"I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back in Whittier, they're not much bigger than two meters.'" - Richard Nixon, Checkers Speech, abandoned early draft
Orange Juice - Rip It Up
Yazoo - Nobody's Diary
Robert Wyatt - Shipbuilding
Blancmange - Waves
Flash and the Pan - Waiting on a Train
Joan Armatrading - Drop the Pilot
Personally, I'd put the "year the music died" a good bit later, or the year I just lost interest in chart music. Fact is U2 were still half decent in 1983 and much as I tried, i just couldn't hate the Wham! Rap.
"Rip It Up" and "Shipbuilding" are fantastic! I still have that fold-out tri sleeve 7" of "Shipbuilding .
Definitely my pick of the bunch. One of Elvis' very best for me and while Wyatts vocals are a bit quirky, i think they really suit that song. And if there's a genre called "pure pop", then Rip it Up is the apogee for me. Every note, every vocal twitch is a sheer sonic delight.
Orange Juice were booked to play a summer ball at my college. They were booked before Rip It Up was a hit, so probably weren't getting much money for it. Rip It Up was then a hit before they were due to come. But they honoured the commitment, which has left me impressed ever since. I'm sure a lot of bands would have told us where to stick it.
Have to say a quick scroll through the 83 charts does reveal some good and even great tracks, but nothing like the depth of quality you had just a couple of years before. Thought I'd find dozens of tracks I'd forgotten or overlooked but not really that many at all tbh. Think most of best of that year being mentioned already.
I think it's important to know what tracks were in the so called Indie charts at the same time. As there are some carckers. But it's '83 and beyond so many more to choose from.
It's not just "chart" music but all music.
I thought he recognized the validity of a song if it properly charted.
I think that was regards Bryan Adams. This 1982 prophecy was from the Beatles thread.
Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
anything you fancy sir?
anything you fancy sir?
