Greatest (Favorite) Live Album

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Heston wrote:
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The Replacements For Sale: Live At Maxwell's 1986

This one circulated as an unauthorized bootleg "Murder At The Maxwell" before being officially released as "For Sale: Live At Maxwell's 1986". For me this captures the band at their best, a few covers and finished most of their songs.

https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/th ... ells-1986/

"And finished most of their songs"

Well done chaps, absolutely fantastic.
Pretty recent release, but that one got a lot of play out of me and turned me on to some of their songs I hadn't yet appreciated.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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I'm going to be pretty basic and vote for Cheap Trick Live at Budokan. But I also love this:
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21 Mar 2023, 2:17pm
I'm going to be pretty basic and vote for Cheap Trick Live at Budokan.
Budokan is obvious, but I think one important factor is if the live album recontextualizes or some how alters your view of the original/studio material and I think Budokan is a great example of that. The studio version of I Want You... is obsolete after Budokan.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Flex wrote:
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A half finished replacements song is almost invariably better than whatever turd KISSINC. decided to polish on a given day.
Does KISS polish their turds? I think they just slap the logo and, most importantly, a price sticker to the turds.
They mime along to a turd backing track
If Heston posted more in his KISS thread, we could confine these observations to there.
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matedog wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 2:23pm
JennyB wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 2:17pm
I'm going to be pretty basic and vote for Cheap Trick Live at Budokan.
Budokan is obvious, but I think one important factor is if the live album recontextualizes or some how alters your view of the original/studio material and I think Budokan is a great example of that. The studio version of I Want You... is obsolete after Budokan.
To the degree that you *never* hear the studio version anywhere. It's almost been Orwelled out of existence.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 2:27pm
matedog wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 2:23pm
JennyB wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 2:17pm
I'm going to be pretty basic and vote for Cheap Trick Live at Budokan.
Budokan is obvious, but I think one important factor is if the live album recontextualizes or some how alters your view of the original/studio material and I think Budokan is a great example of that. The studio version of I Want You... is obsolete after Budokan.
To the degree that you *never* hear the studio version anywhere. It's almost been Orwelled out of existence.
Interestingly, the studio version is the second most listened to Cheap Trick song on Spotify. Budokan version is the fifth most.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 2:23pm
JennyB wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 2:17pm
I'm going to be pretty basic and vote for Cheap Trick Live at Budokan.
Budokan is obvious, but I think one important factor is if the live album recontextualizes or some how alters your view of the original/studio material and I think Budokan is a great example of that. The studio version of I Want You... is obsolete after Budokan.
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matedog wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 2:43pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 2:27pm
matedog wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 2:23pm
JennyB wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 2:17pm
I'm going to be pretty basic and vote for Cheap Trick Live at Budokan.
Budokan is obvious, but I think one important factor is if the live album recontextualizes or some how alters your view of the original/studio material and I think Budokan is a great example of that. The studio version of I Want You... is obsolete after Budokan.
To the degree that you *never* hear the studio version anywhere. It's almost been Orwelled out of existence.
Interestingly, the studio version is the second most listened to Cheap Trick song on Spotify. Budokan version is the fifth most.
I would have lost the farm on that bet. I can't believe that at all.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 2:47pm
matedog wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 2:43pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 2:27pm
matedog wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 2:23pm
JennyB wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 2:17pm
I'm going to be pretty basic and vote for Cheap Trick Live at Budokan.
Budokan is obvious, but I think one important factor is if the live album recontextualizes or some how alters your view of the original/studio material and I think Budokan is a great example of that. The studio version of I Want You... is obsolete after Budokan.
To the degree that you *never* hear the studio version anywhere. It's almost been Orwelled out of existence.
Interestingly, the studio version is the second most listened to Cheap Trick song on Spotify. Budokan version is the fifth most.
I would have lost the farm on that bet. I can't believe that at all.
The downside of streaming - everyone has access to everything without much guidance.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 2:49pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 2:47pm
matedog wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 2:43pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 2:27pm
matedog wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 2:23pm


Budokan is obvious, but I think one important factor is if the live album recontextualizes or some how alters your view of the original/studio material and I think Budokan is a great example of that. The studio version of I Want You... is obsolete after Budokan.
To the degree that you *never* hear the studio version anywhere. It's almost been Orwelled out of existence.
Interestingly, the studio version is the second most listened to Cheap Trick song on Spotify. Budokan version is the fifth most.
I would have lost the farm on that bet. I can't believe that at all.
The downside of streaming - everyone has access to everything without much guidance.
Hello,

I wonder how many stream the studio version thinking it's the live version.

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Flex wrote:
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Everything mentioned except Kiss so far is exceptional. I've been trying to think of truly "contender for the throne" type punk live albums, this one comes to mind:
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It's great but Johhny overdubbed it in the studio.
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Don't know about greatest but I like these two.
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Marky Dread wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 6:47pm
Flex wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 9:16am
Everything mentioned except Kiss so far is exceptional. I've been trying to think of truly "contender for the throne" type punk live albums, this one comes to mind:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... _cover.jpg
It's great but Johhny overdubbed it in the studio.
I think a lot of the live albums mentioned have at least some overdubbing. This one maybe moreso. I guess a question is whether a live album needs to be totally unsweetened in the studio to rate highly.
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Flex wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 7:08pm
Marky Dread wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 6:47pm
Flex wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 9:16am
Everything mentioned except Kiss so far is exceptional. I've been trying to think of truly "contender for the throne" type punk live albums, this one comes to mind:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... _cover.jpg
It's great but Johhny overdubbed it in the studio.
I think a lot of the live albums mentioned have at least some overdubbing. This one maybe moreso. I guess a question is whether a live album needs to be totally unsweetened in the studio to rate highly.
So many things can and probably do go wrong during a live show its probably hard for most musicians to let that go on record.

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revbob wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 7:23pm
Flex wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 7:08pm
Marky Dread wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 6:47pm
Flex wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 9:16am
Everything mentioned except Kiss so far is exceptional. I've been trying to think of truly "contender for the throne" type punk live albums, this one comes to mind:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... _cover.jpg
It's great but Johhny overdubbed it in the studio.
I think a lot of the live albums mentioned have at least some overdubbing. This one maybe moreso. I guess a question is whether a live album needs to be totally unsweetened in the studio to rate highly.
So many things can and probably do go wrong during a live show its probably hard for most musicians to let that go on record.
In the golden era of the bootleg—the 70s—that was a big reason why bands didn't like bootlegs. It was less the idea of lost money, but being exposed as less than perfect, as studio records appeared to show.
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