Wow this conversation just took a swan dive.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 2:24pmWeirdly, well before either of them had achieved success and/or notoriety, Madonna and Michael Gira dated for a time.
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I know my function.Marky Dread wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 2:26pmWow this conversation just took a swan dive.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 2:24pmWeirdly, well before either of them had achieved success and/or notoriety, Madonna and Michael Gira dated for a time.
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Just perusing Maddie's discography and while appreciating her cultural immensity, i can't say there's a lot of songs i'd care to listen to. Borderline i always really liked and after that there's nothing grabs me until Ray of Light which is probably her best. I don't know a lot of Cyndi Lauper stuff so can't really compare.
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I thought Beautiful Stranger was a decent song. She didn't have any songs I actively disliked.Low Down Low wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 2:32pmJust perusing Maddie's discography and while appreciating her cultural immensity, i can't say there's a lot of songs i'd care to listen to. Borderline i always really liked and after that there's nothing grabs me until Ray of Light which is probably her best. I don't know a lot of Cyndi Lauper stuff so can't really compare.
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Don't recall that one off the top of my head, but yeah for sure, i can't think of many that were particularly bad or annoying. True Blue was kind of catchy i'm remembering.Heston wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 2:35pmI thought Beautiful Stranger was a decent song. She didn't have any songs I actively disliked.Low Down Low wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 2:32pmJust perusing Maddie's discography and while appreciating her cultural immensity, i can't say there's a lot of songs i'd care to listen to. Borderline i always really liked and after that there's nothing grabs me until Ray of Light which is probably her best. I don't know a lot of Cyndi Lauper stuff so can't really compare.
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It was the one from Austin Powers. Quite hippyish and mystical sounding.Low Down Low wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 2:38pmDon't recall that one off the top of my head, but yeah for sure, i can't think of many that were particularly bad or annoying. True Blue was kind of catchy i'm remembering.Heston wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 2:35pmI thought Beautiful Stranger was a decent song. She didn't have any songs I actively disliked.Low Down Low wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 2:32pmJust perusing Maddie's discography and while appreciating her cultural immensity, i can't say there's a lot of songs i'd care to listen to. Borderline i always really liked and after that there's nothing grabs me until Ray of Light which is probably her best. I don't know a lot of Cyndi Lauper stuff so can't really compare.
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Just gave it a blast and remember it now, definitely not bad, strong chorus.Heston wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 2:40pmIt was the one from Austin Powers. Quite hippyish and mystical sounding.Low Down Low wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 2:38pmDon't recall that one off the top of my head, but yeah for sure, i can't think of many that were particularly bad or annoying. True Blue was kind of catchy i'm remembering.Heston wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 2:35pmI thought Beautiful Stranger was a decent song. She didn't have any songs I actively disliked.Low Down Low wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 2:32pmJust perusing Maddie's discography and while appreciating her cultural immensity, i can't say there's a lot of songs i'd care to listen to. Borderline i always really liked and after that there's nothing grabs me until Ray of Light which is probably her best. I don't know a lot of Cyndi Lauper stuff so can't really compare.
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The only song of hers that I genuinely dig. Not sure whether she ever approved of it.
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It's a little crazy to remember what a big deal Madonna was in the mid-80's to maybe mid-90's: Like a Virgin at the MTV Video Awards, the Pepsi thing with Like a Prayer, the Sean Penn wedding, Dick Tracy and Warren Beatty, the Sex book, Vogue. I recall her having a concert special on HBO during her Blonde Ambition Tour. I think we've discussed this before, but do we really see that level of cultural exposure (or overexposure) anymore? In a time of more limited media outlets like the 80's - it was hard to escape.
In regards to her music, while I would not call myself a fan - she did have some great singles back in the day.
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I think I made the argument that Madonna was the last huge pop star (tho I believe I was a bit hesitant in saying that, as I think Michael Jackson was the last true massive star). Popular culture has fractured too much since then, in tastes and mediums.WestwayKid wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 3:41pmIt's a little crazy to remember what a big deal Madonna was in the mid-80's to maybe mid-90's: Like a Virgin at the MTV Video Awards, the Pepsi thing with Like a Prayer, the Sean Penn wedding, Dick Tracy and Warren Beatty, the Sex book, Vogue. I recall her having a concert special on HBO during her Blonde Ambition Tour. I think we've discussed this before, but do we really see that level of cultural exposure (or overexposure) anymore? In a time of more limited media outlets like the 80's - it was hard to escape.
In regards to her music, while I would not call myself a fan - she did have some great singles back in the day.
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George Michael was pretty big also.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 3:49pmI think I made the argument that Madonna was the last huge pop star (tho I believe I was a bit hesitant in saying that, as I think Michael Jackson was the last true massive star). Popular culture has fractured too much since then, in tastes and mediums.WestwayKid wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 3:41pmIt's a little crazy to remember what a big deal Madonna was in the mid-80's to maybe mid-90's: Like a Virgin at the MTV Video Awards, the Pepsi thing with Like a Prayer, the Sean Penn wedding, Dick Tracy and Warren Beatty, the Sex book, Vogue. I recall her having a concert special on HBO during her Blonde Ambition Tour. I think we've discussed this before, but do we really see that level of cultural exposure (or overexposure) anymore? In a time of more limited media outlets like the 80's - it was hard to escape.
In regards to her music, while I would not call myself a fan - she did have some great singles back in the day.
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Indeed he was. When I think of artists like Madonna, George Michael, maybe even Prince - I think of something like Michael's track "I Want Your Sex" and how it entered the cultural hive mind in a way that got all sorts of people debating it and what it meant. I'm not saying we don't see that stuff anymore, but it feels different. The discussion in 1987 felt more focused, maybe because it was being fed to us by professional media outlets versus social media. You'd see George Michael or Madonna on the cover of Newsweek and it would be a big deal.Marky Dread wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 4:29pmGeorge Michael was pretty big also.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 3:49pmI think I made the argument that Madonna was the last huge pop star (tho I believe I was a bit hesitant in saying that, as I think Michael Jackson was the last true massive star). Popular culture has fractured too much since then, in tastes and mediums.WestwayKid wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 3:41pmIt's a little crazy to remember what a big deal Madonna was in the mid-80's to maybe mid-90's: Like a Virgin at the MTV Video Awards, the Pepsi thing with Like a Prayer, the Sean Penn wedding, Dick Tracy and Warren Beatty, the Sex book, Vogue. I recall her having a concert special on HBO during her Blonde Ambition Tour. I think we've discussed this before, but do we really see that level of cultural exposure (or overexposure) anymore? In a time of more limited media outlets like the 80's - it was hard to escape.
In regards to her music, while I would not call myself a fan - she did have some great singles back in the day.
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That's just not true. I was withholding because we've had this exact debate many times, but Beyonce is as big, if not bigger, than certainly George Michael, but probably Madonna too.WestwayKid wrote: ↑17 May 2023, 9:50amIndeed he was. When I think of artists like Madonna, George Michael, maybe even Prince - I think of something like Michael's track "I Want Your Sex" and how it entered the cultural hive mind in a way that got all sorts of people debating it and what it meant. I'm not saying we don't see that stuff anymore, but it feels different. The discussion in 1987 felt more focused, maybe because it was being fed to us by professional media outlets versus social media. You'd see George Michael or Madonna on the cover of Newsweek and it would be a big deal.Marky Dread wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 4:29pmGeorge Michael was pretty big also.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 3:49pmI think I made the argument that Madonna was the last huge pop star (tho I believe I was a bit hesitant in saying that, as I think Michael Jackson was the last true massive star). Popular culture has fractured too much since then, in tastes and mediums.WestwayKid wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 3:41pmIt's a little crazy to remember what a big deal Madonna was in the mid-80's to maybe mid-90's: Like a Virgin at the MTV Video Awards, the Pepsi thing with Like a Prayer, the Sean Penn wedding, Dick Tracy and Warren Beatty, the Sex book, Vogue. I recall her having a concert special on HBO during her Blonde Ambition Tour. I think we've discussed this before, but do we really see that level of cultural exposure (or overexposure) anymore? In a time of more limited media outlets like the 80's - it was hard to escape.
In regards to her music, while I would not call myself a fan - she did have some great singles back in the day.
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I'd definitely agree about George Michael but not Madonna. I suppose it depends which era you grew up in but Beyonce could ask me a question in the supermarket and I wouldn't even recognise her.matedog wrote: ↑17 May 2023, 10:32amThat's just not true. I was withholding because we've had this exact debate many times, but Beyonce is as big, if not bigger, than certainly George Michael, but probably Madonna too.WestwayKid wrote: ↑17 May 2023, 9:50amIndeed he was. When I think of artists like Madonna, George Michael, maybe even Prince - I think of something like Michael's track "I Want Your Sex" and how it entered the cultural hive mind in a way that got all sorts of people debating it and what it meant. I'm not saying we don't see that stuff anymore, but it feels different. The discussion in 1987 felt more focused, maybe because it was being fed to us by professional media outlets versus social media. You'd see George Michael or Madonna on the cover of Newsweek and it would be a big deal.Marky Dread wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 4:29pmGeorge Michael was pretty big also.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 3:49pmI think I made the argument that Madonna was the last huge pop star (tho I believe I was a bit hesitant in saying that, as I think Michael Jackson was the last true massive star). Popular culture has fractured too much since then, in tastes and mediums.WestwayKid wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 3:41pmIt's a little crazy to remember what a big deal Madonna was in the mid-80's to maybe mid-90's: Like a Virgin at the MTV Video Awards, the Pepsi thing with Like a Prayer, the Sean Penn wedding, Dick Tracy and Warren Beatty, the Sex book, Vogue. I recall her having a concert special on HBO during her Blonde Ambition Tour. I think we've discussed this before, but do we really see that level of cultural exposure (or overexposure) anymore? In a time of more limited media outlets like the 80's - it was hard to escape.
In regards to her music, while I would not call myself a fan - she did have some great singles back in the day.
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Keep in mind you were a lot closer to the cultural zeitgeist in the 80s than you are now.Heston wrote: ↑17 May 2023, 1:50pmI'd definitely agree about George Michael but not Madonna. I suppose it depends which era you grew up in but Beyonce could ask me a question in the supermarket and I wouldn't even recognise her.matedog wrote: ↑17 May 2023, 10:32amThat's just not true. I was withholding because we've had this exact debate many times, but Beyonce is as big, if not bigger, than certainly George Michael, but probably Madonna too.WestwayKid wrote: ↑17 May 2023, 9:50amIndeed he was. When I think of artists like Madonna, George Michael, maybe even Prince - I think of something like Michael's track "I Want Your Sex" and how it entered the cultural hive mind in a way that got all sorts of people debating it and what it meant. I'm not saying we don't see that stuff anymore, but it feels different. The discussion in 1987 felt more focused, maybe because it was being fed to us by professional media outlets versus social media. You'd see George Michael or Madonna on the cover of Newsweek and it would be a big deal.Marky Dread wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 4:29pmGeorge Michael was pretty big also.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑16 May 2023, 3:49pm
I think I made the argument that Madonna was the last huge pop star (tho I believe I was a bit hesitant in saying that, as I think Michael Jackson was the last true massive star). Popular culture has fractured too much since then, in tastes and mediums.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.