Sid and Nancy depreciation thread

[Heston]

Very harsh Heston

Maybe.

he mugged more than one old lady and one cat.

Not as harsh as mugging cats!

[Marky Dread]

Very harsh Heston

Maybe.

he mugged more than one old lady and one cat.

Not as harsh as mugging cats!

Especially Black Cats.

[7devonapes]

Great Soundtrack though (if only it were complete)...

[Marky Dread]

Great Soundtrack though (if only it were complete)...

Yes has some good moments.

[Heston]

Very harsh Heston

Maybe.

he mugged more than one old lady and one cat.

Not as harsh as mugging cats!

Especially Black Cats.

[Dr. Medulla]

Forty-five years ago today. The big dummy would have been collecting a pension by now.

[Marky Dread]

Forty-five years ago today. The big dummy would have been collecting a pension by now.

https://www.clashcity.com/boards/viewto ... 81#p701081

[Dr. Medulla]

Forty-five years ago today. The big dummy would have been collecting a pension by now.

https://www.clashcity.com/boards/viewto ... 81#p701081

The big dummy could have also been downloading your records! (Thanks for the pointer.)

[motorsmell]

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-ente ... 86804.html

[Dr. Medulla]

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-ente ... 86804.html

This bit captures my view:

To Wobble, Vicious is, to some extent at least, the ultimate victim of the zeitgeist – prey to the dark machinations of a music industry long designed to chew ’em up and spit ’em out.

The music industry has always regarded the vast majority of entertainers as disposable, to be used to squeeze out as much money as possible before their best-before date expires. Then go find someone else and do the same thing. The comparative rarities are the ones who survive to have careers.

[Marky Dread]

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-ente ... 86804.html

This bit captures my view:

To Wobble, Vicious is, to some extent at least, the ultimate victim of the zeitgeist – prey to the dark machinations of a music industry long designed to chew ’em up and spit ’em out.

The music industry has always regarded the vast majority of entertainers as disposable, to be used to squeeze out as much money as possible before their best-before date expires. Then go find someone else and do the same thing. The comparative rarities are the ones who survive to have careers.

There's not really any chance Sid was going to survive despite being attached to an industry based on greed. He was an addict long before he was a Pistol. A friend of mine said but hey Keith Richards has survived and he was a junkie. Different mentality and a better quality of drugs. Sid was doomed in my opinion just because of who he had become.

[Dr. Medulla]

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-ente ... 86804.html

This bit captures my view:

To Wobble, Vicious is, to some extent at least, the ultimate victim of the zeitgeist – prey to the dark machinations of a music industry long designed to chew ’em up and spit ’em out.

The music industry has always regarded the vast majority of entertainers as disposable, to be used to squeeze out as much money as possible before their best-before date expires. Then go find someone else and do the same thing. The comparative rarities are the ones who survive to have careers.

There's not really any chance Sid was going to survive despite being attached to an industry based on greed. He was an addict long before he was a Pistol. A friend of mine said but hey Keith Richards has survived and he was a junkie. Different mentality and a better quality of drugs. Sid was doomed in my opinion just because of who he had become.

Sure, his odds of living a long life given the nature of his childhood and adolescence weren't great. But greater than once the entertainment biz found a way to make money off his notoriety, pumping up his image (well, caricature), then chucking him aside. No way I'm saying Sid would have grown up to be an MP or even a milkman, but the doors all closed on him as quickly as they opened because that's the way the business operates.

[Silent Majority]

I know of people who had it as rough as Sid who went on to become poets, social workers, and millionaires.

[Marky Dread]

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-ente ... 86804.html

This bit captures my view:

To Wobble, Vicious is, to some extent at least, the ultimate victim of the zeitgeist – prey to the dark machinations of a music industry long designed to chew ’em up and spit ’em out.

The music industry has always regarded the vast majority of entertainers as disposable, to be used to squeeze out as much money as possible before their best-before date expires. Then go find someone else and do the same thing. The comparative rarities are the ones who survive to have careers.

There's not really any chance Sid was going to survive despite being attached to an industry based on greed. He was an addict long before he was a Pistol. A friend of mine said but hey Keith Richards has survived and he was a junkie. Different mentality and a better quality of drugs. Sid was doomed in my opinion just because of who he had become.

Sure, his odds of living a long life given the nature of his childhood and adolescence weren't great. But greater than once the entertainment biz found a way to make money off his notoriety, pumping up his image (well, caricature), then chucking him aside. No way I'm saying Sid would have grown up to be an MP or even a milkman, but the doors all closed on him as quickly as they opened because that's the way the business operates.

I don't think the business killed him. It possibly exacerbated his death. But Sid was self destructive and didn't know how to survive. I lost friends to Heroin who were way smarter than Sid. But you fuck with that stuff and it's a 50/50 deal as to your chances of surviving.

To a lot of people Sid is just this cartoonish moron on a T-shirt. But Sid was like so many of us kids back then. He got very lucky and then that luck destroyed him because he was a fatalist and believed the bullshit.

[Dr. Medulla]

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-ente ... 86804.html

This bit captures my view:

To Wobble, Vicious is, to some extent at least, the ultimate victim of the zeitgeist – prey to the dark machinations of a music industry long designed to chew ’em up and spit ’em out.

The music industry has always regarded the vast majority of entertainers as disposable, to be used to squeeze out as much money as possible before their best-before date expires. Then go find someone else and do the same thing. The comparative rarities are the ones who survive to have careers.

There's not really any chance Sid was going to survive despite being attached to an industry based on greed. He was an addict long before he was a Pistol. A friend of mine said but hey Keith Richards has survived and he was a junkie. Different mentality and a better quality of drugs. Sid was doomed in my opinion just because of who he had become.

Sure, his odds of living a long life given the nature of his childhood and adolescence weren't great. But greater than once the entertainment biz found a way to make money off his notoriety, pumping up his image (well, caricature), then chucking him aside. No way I'm saying Sid would have grown up to be an MP or even a milkman, but the doors all closed on him as quickly as they opened because that's the way the business operates.

I don't think the business killed him. It possibly exacerbated his death. But Sid was self destructive and didn't know how to survive. I lost friends to Heroin who were way smarter than Sid. But you fuck with that stuff and it's a 50/50 deal as to your chances of surviving.

To a lot of people Sid is just this cartoonish moron on a T-shirt. But Sid was like so many of us kids back then. He got very lucky and then that luck destroyed him because he was a fatalist and believed the bullshit.

No, it didn't directly kill him, anymore than it killed Cobain. But maximized conditions that led to their death because it isn't driven by anything but wringing out any money it can from its producers, regardless of the human cost. Hell, if the death is done right, it can expand the money-making possibility (definitely in Sid's case, didn't hurt in Cobain's). I'm not trying to make Sid a passive and innocent victim, but he was still victimized by an ugly system.