I'm feeling Zorny

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I'm feeling Zorny

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Eumes asked me to devote a thread to my experiences tonight -
I filed into Yoshi's after a five minute bus ride safely passing me through the old hood. I sat down in my seat, ordered a Boont Amber and awaited la musica. Zorn and co. came on shortly after 8pm and started off with a less jewy, more free jazz piece. The drummer alternated between a normal jazz ride cymbal beat and a more tom oriented beat. The gentile trumpet player stayed off to the side until the very end. At no time did Zorn and gentile play at the same time during this opening piece which I will possibly falsely attribute to the lack of "Jewish Music" sound which seems more rooted in the horn harmony [/end run on]. The rest of the night was kind of a blur devoted more so to what I now vaguely understand to be Jewish-y music. There were slow pieces, upbeat pieces, and pieces that alternated between both. Solos all around to keep the rhythm section happy. The band seemed like they were having a blast. Zorn even pretended to fire his sax at the gentile like a rifle.

Two slight criticisms: Zorn, don't wear cargo pants. Drummer, most of what you played was great, but at times you were doing weird shit for the sake of doing weird shit regardless of how it sounded. Stop that. Otherwise, great job.

The last piece was another jazz/free jazz piece that was upbeat and energetic. The band left the stage and we stood and applauded. They came out once more, but only to wave and thank us.

I left the club as Robber Dub came on the speaker system.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Sounds like an awesome time. What band was Zorn fronting tonight?
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Flex wrote:Sounds like an awesome time. What band was Zorn fronting tonight?
Masada. The Clash playing over the loud speaker at the end was suspiciously fitting.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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That's probably the most hoyish way to describe a Masada show.
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and it's no surprise that Masada played jazzy music, as they're a jazz band.

Did you enjoy it? Would you listen to a record?
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eumaas wrote:and it's no surprise that Masada played jazzy music, as they're a jazz band.

Did you enjoy it? Would you listen to a record?
Yes and yes. I was also not surprised they could play jazz, I just wasn't expecting something so straight jazz.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
eumaas wrote:and it's no surprise that Masada played jazzy music, as they're a jazz band.

Did you enjoy it? Would you listen to a record?
Yes and yes. I was also not surprised they could play jazz, I just wasn't expecting something so straight jazz.
From about 1997 - 2002 they were pretty much the best jazz quartet in the world. After 2001 they kind of went inactive, and Zorn just resurrects the group now and then. I'd say they peaked from 1999 to 2001.

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Your first Masada purchase should be Live at Tonic 2001, a release that burns like a son of a bitch**. I listened to it while Dr. Goldstein took out my four wisdom teeth.
"Masada," he said, "isn't that a place in Israel?"
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** Joey Baron is a DEMON on this record. Actually, a guy related to me once how his jazz drummer buddy decided to quit playing drums after seeing Masada play.
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Nice interview. He gets all ranty. Great stuff:
http://www.rowan.edu/open/philosop/clow ... s/Zorn.htm
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That sounds awesome. But not as awesome as when I saw him... :rolleyes:

Joey Baron is the drummer of Masada right? Because he is pretty much the best drummer I know, and when I saw Zorn, he was phenomenal. He did do loads of weird stuff, but it all sounded good.

Live in Sevilla is a great album, and I like all Masada I've heard, but I like Naked City and Spillane better.
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Special Patrol wrote:That sounds awesome. But not as awesome as when I saw him... :rolleyes:
Which probably would in hindsight not be as awesome as when I finally see him.
Joey Baron is the drummer of Masada right? Because he is pretty much the best drummer I know, and when I saw Zorn, he was phenomenal. He did do loads of weird stuff, but it all sounded good.
Yes.

Matey, being a slavish follower of mainstream taste, doesn't understand the place of extended techniques in avant-garde music.
Live in Sevilla is a great album, and I like all Masada I've heard, but I like Naked City and Spillane better.
Sevilla's good but Tonic 2001 is better. I prefer Masada to NC and the file card compositions.
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eumaas wrote:Which probably would in hindsight not be as awesome as when I finally see him.
Yeah, keep believing that. Though I would believe that a 4 hour long tripleconcert should be pretty hard to beat. :rolleyes:

I'd get Tonic 2001 if I didn't have so much I haven't listened to atm. But it'll make it the next Zorn album I'll get.
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eumaas wrote:
Special Patrol wrote:That sounds awesome. But not as awesome as when I saw him... :rolleyes:
Which probably would in hindsight not be as awesome as when I finally see him.
Joey Baron is the drummer of Masada right? Because he is pretty much the best drummer I know, and when I saw Zorn, he was phenomenal. He did do loads of weird stuff, but it all sounded good.
Yes.

Matey, being a slavish follower of mainstream taste, doesn't understand the place of extended techniques in avant-garde music.
Live in Sevilla is a great album, and I like all Masada I've heard, but I like Naked City and Spillane better.
Sevilla's good but Tonic 2001 is better. I prefer Masada to NC and the file card compositions.
:rolleyes:
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
eumaas wrote:
Special Patrol wrote:That sounds awesome. But not as awesome as when I saw him... :rolleyes:
Which probably would in hindsight not be as awesome as when I finally see him.
Joey Baron is the drummer of Masada right? Because he is pretty much the best drummer I know, and when I saw Zorn, he was phenomenal. He did do loads of weird stuff, but it all sounded good.
Yes.

Matey, being a slavish follower of mainstream taste, doesn't understand the place of extended techniques in avant-garde music.
Live in Sevilla is a great album, and I like all Masada I've heard, but I like Naked City and Spillane better.
Sevilla's good but Tonic 2001 is better. I prefer Masada to NC and the file card compositions.
:rolleyes:
What in your prior posts provides evidence to warrant you rolling your eyes?
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Wolter wrote:
matedog wrote:
eumaas wrote:
Special Patrol wrote:That sounds awesome. But not as awesome as when I saw him... :rolleyes:
Which probably would in hindsight not be as awesome as when I finally see him.
Joey Baron is the drummer of Masada right? Because he is pretty much the best drummer I know, and when I saw Zorn, he was phenomenal. He did do loads of weird stuff, but it all sounded good.
Yes.

Matey, being a slavish follower of mainstream taste, doesn't understand the place of extended techniques in avant-garde music.
Live in Sevilla is a great album, and I like all Masada I've heard, but I like Naked City and Spillane better.
Sevilla's good but Tonic 2001 is better. I prefer Masada to NC and the file card compositions.
:rolleyes:
What in your prior posts provides evidence to warrant you rolling your eyes?
I could try to get into a serious discussion but I won't since you are basically right.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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