Public Image Limited

[Marky Dread]

I'll look it up.

That's a complete guess on my part, given the time period of the song and its title.

Right album but Francis Massacre is the tune. Though I'm not 100% certain who Francis Moran is meant to be.

https://genius.com/Public-image-ltd-fra ... cre-lyrics

IRA prisoner who was hanged in Mountjoy prison.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick ... epublican)

Cheers Marky. That's actually quite amazing, i spend every day in Moran Park and frequent the amazing library there but was never aware of its history until now. I will have to do some more digging into that.

It was something I looked up many years ago when I first saw the lyrics and wondered the same as you. That's cool that the park is named after him. I assume that's what you're saying?

[Dr. Medulla]

That's more or less my guess. Asshole barman acts like an asshole and Lydon pushes back. And good on him if he was basically justifying his existence to this guy.

Yeah, i mean the only thing I can say with conviction here is that not all but a lot of barmen back then could be real assholes. If they didn't like the cut of your jib, too bad, you weren't getting served and being a punk at that time in Ireland was pretty much automatic refusal in a lot of places. My instinct is to be with John on this one.

So they were jaded record shop clerks (see Jack Black's character in High Fidelity).

I can definitely picture Jack Blacks character refusing to serve a customer because he thought they looked "very seedy."

Jack Blacks character actually looked way seedier than the customers.

I can't say for certain, but there's a good chance that that movie and that character was when I decided I wanted to punch Jack Black in the face just for, well, showing his face. I mean, he pulls off that character but, like, too well.

[Marky Dread]

Yeah, i mean the only thing I can say with conviction here is that not all but a lot of barmen back then could be real assholes. If they didn't like the cut of your jib, too bad, you weren't getting served and being a punk at that time in Ireland was pretty much automatic refusal in a lot of places. My instinct is to be with John on this one.

So they were jaded record shop clerks (see Jack Black's character in High Fidelity).

I can definitely picture Jack Blacks character refusing to serve a customer because he thought they looked "very seedy."

Jack Blacks character actually looked way seedier than the customers.

I can't say for certain, but there's a good chance that that movie and that character was when I decided I wanted to punch Jack Black in the face just for, well, showing his face. I mean, he pulls off that character but, like, too well.

It's a fun movie. But I relate to the book more so being in an English setting. Having mates who worked in record shops and doing record fairs for a fair few years back in the late 80s early 90s. I met some real characters and some not that far away from Blacks character.

[Low Down Low]

That's a complete guess on my part, given the time period of the song and its title.

Right album but Francis Massacre is the tune. Though I'm not 100% certain who Francis Moran is meant to be.

https://genius.com/Public-image-ltd-fra ... cre-lyrics

IRA prisoner who was hanged in Mountjoy prison.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick ... epublican)

Cheers Marky. That's actually quite amazing, i spend every day in Moran Park and frequent the amazing library there but was never aware of its history until now. I will have to do some more digging into that.

It was something I looked up many years ago when I first saw the lyrics and wondered the same as you. That's cool that the park is named after him. I assume that's what you're saying?

Exactly, I've been in or around that park for years and never twigged the story behind the name. And I like to think of myself as some kind of history buff

[Dr. Medulla]

So they were jaded record shop clerks (see Jack Black's character in High Fidelity).

I can definitely picture Jack Blacks character refusing to serve a customer because he thought they looked "very seedy."

Jack Blacks character actually looked way seedier than the customers.

I can't say for certain, but there's a good chance that that movie and that character was when I decided I wanted to punch Jack Black in the face just for, well, showing his face. I mean, he pulls off that character but, like, too well.

It's a fun movie. But I relate to the book more so being in an English setting. Having mates who worked in record shops and doing record fairs for a fair few years back in the late 80s early 90s. I met some real characters and some not that far away from Blacks character.

Tho it's been decades since I read the book, I much much preferred it to the movie. Maybe it was because I encountered the book before the movie so that's what became the "true" version. I dunno. But it is such a music geek story that only a small segment of the population really get. I remember seeing it with the Boss and a friend and they kept elbowing me, saying, "That's you!" Yeah, yeah, fuck off, I know.

[Marky Dread]

I can definitely picture Jack Blacks character refusing to serve a customer because he thought they looked "very seedy."

Jack Blacks character actually looked way seedier than the customers.

I can't say for certain, but there's a good chance that that movie and that character was when I decided I wanted to punch Jack Black in the face just for, well, showing his face. I mean, he pulls off that character but, like, too well.

It's a fun movie. But I relate to the book more so being in an English setting. Having mates who worked in record shops and doing record fairs for a fair few years back in the late 80s early 90s. I met some real characters and some not that far away from Blacks character.

Tho it's been decades since I read the book, I much much preferred it to the movie. Maybe it was because I encountered the book before the movie so that's what became the "true" version. I dunno. But it is such a music geek story that only a small segment of the population really get. I remember seeing it with the Boss and a friend and they kept elbowing me, saying, "That's you!" Yeah, yeah, fuck off, I know.

when fiction becomes fact or maybe reality at least. Half a lifetime spent looking in grubby little boxes. Guys have been sent down for less.

[Dr. Medulla]

Jack Blacks character actually looked way seedier than the customers.

I can't say for certain, but there's a good chance that that movie and that character was when I decided I wanted to punch Jack Black in the face just for, well, showing his face. I mean, he pulls off that character but, like, too well.

It's a fun movie. But I relate to the book more so being in an English setting. Having mates who worked in record shops and doing record fairs for a fair few years back in the late 80s early 90s. I met some real characters and some not that far away from Blacks character.

Tho it's been decades since I read the book, I much much preferred it to the movie. Maybe it was because I encountered the book before the movie so that's what became the "true" version. I dunno. But it is such a music geek story that only a small segment of the population really get. I remember seeing it with the Boss and a friend and they kept elbowing me, saying, "That's you!" Yeah, yeah, fuck off, I know.

when fiction becomes fact or maybe reality at least. Half a lifetime spent looking in grubby little boxes. Guys have been sent down for less.

I mean, fuck me for being thrilled to find that Cocteau Twins' 12" that was import-only. Those people should be ashamed for not getting that stupid thrill! Yeah, they're the weirdos!

[matedog]

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radi ... nt-ireland

He never stood a chance. The whole thing was stupid from start to finish. The song isn't for me but then it isn't really for anyone except Nora so I can respect that much. That said it'll probably get to number one now.

That's my attitude. I don't care for it at all—it's pretty much unlistenable—but it's deeply personal and shouldn't have been put forward in such a crassly commercial way.

I meant to ask, is there any philanthropic aspect of this song? Does it raise funds for anything? I don’t know what Eurovision is.

[Dr. Medulla]

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radi ... nt-ireland

He never stood a chance. The whole thing was stupid from start to finish. The song isn't for me but then it isn't really for anyone except Nora so I can respect that much. That said it'll probably get to number one now.

That's my attitude. I don't care for it at all—it's pretty much unlistenable—but it's deeply personal and shouldn't have been put forward in such a crassly commercial way.

I meant to ask, is there any philanthropic aspect of this song? Does it raise funds for anything? I don’t know what Eurovision is.

Not that I've heard. Perhaps when it's formally released as a single we'll hear that profits will go to alzheimer's research.

[Dr. Medulla]

Late 80s PiL had a definite look.

[Marky Dread]

Late 80s PiL had a definite look.

Bloody dreadful attire. Like Bart Simpson meets surfer dude.

[Dr. Medulla]

Late 80s PiL had a definite look.

Bloody dreadful attire. Like Bart Simpson meets surfer dude.

Mercifully, I'm not drawn to the music, either. He had a fantastic group of musicians around him, but he embraced the worst of the vaguely alt scene at the time.

[Marky Dread]

Late 80s PiL had a definite look.

Bloody dreadful attire. Like Bart Simpson meets surfer dude.

Mercifully, I'm not drawn to the music, either. He had a fantastic group of musicians around him, but he embraced the worst of the vaguely alt scene at the time.

I'm sure we discussed this before but I think you can get like 5 maybe 6 decent songs from the last 3 albums of that era. The production and sound from such a solid set of musicians is bad. I might even suggest that Lydon's lazy lyrics aside there are more decent tunes on the more recent 2 albums.

[Dr. Medulla]

Late 80s PiL had a definite look.

Bloody dreadful attire. Like Bart Simpson meets surfer dude.

Mercifully, I'm not drawn to the music, either. He had a fantastic group of musicians around him, but he embraced the worst of the vaguely alt scene at the time.

I'm sure we discussed this before but I think you can get like 5 maybe 6 decent songs from the last 3 albums of that era. The production and sound from such a solid set of musicians is bad. I might even suggest that Lydon's lazy lyrics aside there are more decent tunes on the more recent 2 albums.

6 sounds about right—maybe 3 from Happy?, 2 from 9, 1 from TWIN. And, yes, the current version of PiL is quite strong, the singer aside (how weird is that?).

[matedog]

Late 80s PiL had a definite look.

He's lip syncing too right?