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matedog wrote:
19 Jan 2022, 1:23pm
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Live 75-85 was a big deal, baby!

It's funny, up until the archive series that started a few years ago, there was very little live material released from Bruce. There was nothing from the "peak era" of 75-85 released except this. Turns out they've been sitting on dozens of multitrack recordings from this era for 40+ years. Glad they are finally coming out.
I remember reading something from that time whereby that set was seen as a bit of a failure because it sold an unprecedented amount in one immediate blast, but then fell off the charts, instead of a steady amount. The sheer numbers were great, but not being in Billboard for several months made it seem a bomb. Hype over dollars.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
19 Jan 2022, 1:58pm
matedog wrote:
19 Jan 2022, 1:23pm
tepista wrote:
19 Jan 2022, 12:29pm
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Live 75-85 was a big deal, baby!

It's funny, up until the archive series that started a few years ago, there was very little live material released from Bruce. There was nothing from the "peak era" of 75-85 released except this. Turns out they've been sitting on dozens of multitrack recordings from this era for 40+ years. Glad they are finally coming out.
I remember reading something from that time whereby that set was seen as a bit of a failure because it sold an unprecedented amount in one immediate blast, but then fell off the charts, instead of a steady amount. The sheer numbers were great, but not being in Billboard for several months made it seem a bomb. Hype over dollars.
Certainly relative to the long term success that BITUSA had. Apparently it is the second best selling live album of all time, but expectations were skewed. I read that they were people were "Bruce'd" out by end of 86 after constant popularity in 84-85.

Among fans currently, it is considered irrelevant with the new archive series. Particularly because the album has a lot of overdubs and weird editing choices, cutting out whole sections of some songs as performed live.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 4:31pm
Certainly relative to the long term success that BITUSA had. Apparently it is the second best selling live album of all time, but expectations were skewed. I read that they were people were "Bruce'd" out by end of 86 after constant popularity in 84-85.
That's remarkable given that it ain't cheap.
Among fans currently, it is considered irrelevant with the new archive series. Particularly because the album has a lot of overdubs and weird editing choices, cutting out whole sections of some songs as performed live.
And given that much of his success was built on bootlegs—unfiltered shows—the notion of studio fixes must be especially galling.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 4:43pm
matedog wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 4:31pm
Certainly relative to the long term success that BITUSA had. Apparently it is the second best selling live album of all time, but expectations were skewed. I read that they were people were "Bruce'd" out by end of 86 after constant popularity in 84-85.
That's remarkable given that it ain't cheap.
Among fans currently, it is considered irrelevant with the new archive series. Particularly because the album has a lot of overdubs and weird editing choices, cutting out whole sections of some songs as performed live.
And given that much of his success was built on bootlegs—unfiltered shows—the notion of studio fixes must be especially galling.
The best selling thing is a bit inflated because of the multi disc set counts as like three albums or something if it's a 3 disc set. One sale = 3 sales.

But yeah, they also added a very mid 80s sheen to the sound of everything, particularly the drum sound. So the 70s stuff still sounds kinda 80s. It's a good enough approximation for casual fans, but the die hards still needed the bootlegs after this.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 5:28pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 4:43pm
matedog wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 4:31pm
Certainly relative to the long term success that BITUSA had. Apparently it is the second best selling live album of all time, but expectations were skewed. I read that they were people were "Bruce'd" out by end of 86 after constant popularity in 84-85.
That's remarkable given that it ain't cheap.
Among fans currently, it is considered irrelevant with the new archive series. Particularly because the album has a lot of overdubs and weird editing choices, cutting out whole sections of some songs as performed live.
And given that much of his success was built on bootlegs—unfiltered shows—the notion of studio fixes must be especially galling.
The best selling thing is a bit inflated because of the multi disc set counts as like three albums or something if it's a 3 disc set. One sale = 3 sales.

But yeah, they also added a very mid 80s sheen to the sound of everything, particularly the drum sound. So the 70s stuff still sounds kinda 80s. It's a good enough approximation for casual fans, but the die hards still needed the bootlegs after this.
Ha! That's interesting about the sales trick! Even at that, tho, that it's in the realm, if not greater in sales, than KISS' Alive or Peter Frampton's Frampton Comes Alive, which were monster sellers.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 5:43pm
matedog wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 5:28pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 4:43pm
matedog wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 4:31pm
Certainly relative to the long term success that BITUSA had. Apparently it is the second best selling live album of all time, but expectations were skewed. I read that they were people were "Bruce'd" out by end of 86 after constant popularity in 84-85.
That's remarkable given that it ain't cheap.
Among fans currently, it is considered irrelevant with the new archive series. Particularly because the album has a lot of overdubs and weird editing choices, cutting out whole sections of some songs as performed live.
And given that much of his success was built on bootlegs—unfiltered shows—the notion of studio fixes must be especially galling.
The best selling thing is a bit inflated because of the multi disc set counts as like three albums or something if it's a 3 disc set. One sale = 3 sales.

But yeah, they also added a very mid 80s sheen to the sound of everything, particularly the drum sound. So the 70s stuff still sounds kinda 80s. It's a good enough approximation for casual fans, but the die hards still needed the bootlegs after this.
Ha! That's interesting about the sales trick! Even at that, tho, that it's in the realm, if not greater in sales, than KISS' Alive or Peter Frampton's Frampton Comes Alive, which were monster sellers.
Yeah, per wikipedia it sold 4 million copies, but counts as 13m. Single disc Clapton Unplugged did 10m and Frampton sold 8m for comparison.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 6:01pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 5:43pm
matedog wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 5:28pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 4:43pm
matedog wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 4:31pm
Certainly relative to the long term success that BITUSA had. Apparently it is the second best selling live album of all time, but expectations were skewed. I read that they were people were "Bruce'd" out by end of 86 after constant popularity in 84-85.
That's remarkable given that it ain't cheap.
Among fans currently, it is considered irrelevant with the new archive series. Particularly because the album has a lot of overdubs and weird editing choices, cutting out whole sections of some songs as performed live.
And given that much of his success was built on bootlegs—unfiltered shows—the notion of studio fixes must be especially galling.
The best selling thing is a bit inflated because of the multi disc set counts as like three albums or something if it's a 3 disc set. One sale = 3 sales.

But yeah, they also added a very mid 80s sheen to the sound of everything, particularly the drum sound. So the 70s stuff still sounds kinda 80s. It's a good enough approximation for casual fans, but the die hards still needed the bootlegs after this.
Ha! That's interesting about the sales trick! Even at that, tho, that it's in the realm, if not greater in sales, than KISS' Alive or Peter Frampton's Frampton Comes Alive, which were monster sellers.
Yeah, per wikipedia it sold 4 million copies, but counts as 13m. Single disc Clapton Unplugged did 10m and Frampton sold 8m for comparison.
That's still a lot of sportswriters buying that set!
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 6:08pm
matedog wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 6:01pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 5:43pm
matedog wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 5:28pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 4:43pm


That's remarkable given that it ain't cheap.



And given that much of his success was built on bootlegs—unfiltered shows—the notion of studio fixes must be especially galling.
The best selling thing is a bit inflated because of the multi disc set counts as like three albums or something if it's a 3 disc set. One sale = 3 sales.

But yeah, they also added a very mid 80s sheen to the sound of everything, particularly the drum sound. So the 70s stuff still sounds kinda 80s. It's a good enough approximation for casual fans, but the die hards still needed the bootlegs after this.
Ha! That's interesting about the sales trick! Even at that, tho, that it's in the realm, if not greater in sales, than KISS' Alive or Peter Frampton's Frampton Comes Alive, which were monster sellers.
Yeah, per wikipedia it sold 4 million copies, but counts as 13m. Single disc Clapton Unplugged did 10m and Frampton sold 8m for comparison.
That's still a lot of sportswriters buying that set!
BTW, one of the main Bruce podcasts had some sports writer as a guest (Ken Rosenthal?) and I thought of y'all jokes.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 6:11pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 6:08pm
matedog wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 6:01pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 5:43pm
matedog wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 5:28pm


The best selling thing is a bit inflated because of the multi disc set counts as like three albums or something if it's a 3 disc set. One sale = 3 sales.

But yeah, they also added a very mid 80s sheen to the sound of everything, particularly the drum sound. So the 70s stuff still sounds kinda 80s. It's a good enough approximation for casual fans, but the die hards still needed the bootlegs after this.
Ha! That's interesting about the sales trick! Even at that, tho, that it's in the realm, if not greater in sales, than KISS' Alive or Peter Frampton's Frampton Comes Alive, which were monster sellers.
Yeah, per wikipedia it sold 4 million copies, but counts as 13m. Single disc Clapton Unplugged did 10m and Frampton sold 8m for comparison.
That's still a lot of sportswriters buying that set!
BTW, one of the main Bruce podcasts had some sports writer as a guest (Ken Rosenthal?) and I thought of y'all jokes.
L'il Kenny! (He's like five foot zilch.) Of course he'd love the Boss.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 6:16pm
matedog wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 6:11pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 6:08pm
matedog wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 6:01pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 5:43pm


Ha! That's interesting about the sales trick! Even at that, tho, that it's in the realm, if not greater in sales, than KISS' Alive or Peter Frampton's Frampton Comes Alive, which were monster sellers.
Yeah, per wikipedia it sold 4 million copies, but counts as 13m. Single disc Clapton Unplugged did 10m and Frampton sold 8m for comparison.
That's still a lot of sportswriters buying that set!
BTW, one of the main Bruce podcasts had some sports writer as a guest (Ken Rosenthal?) and I thought of y'all jokes.
L'il Kenny! (He's like five foot zilch.) Of course he'd love the Boss.
You'd think he could get a tailor for his suits:
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Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 6:18pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 6:16pm
matedog wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 6:11pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 6:08pm
matedog wrote:
21 Jan 2022, 6:01pm

Yeah, per wikipedia it sold 4 million copies, but counts as 13m. Single disc Clapton Unplugged did 10m and Frampton sold 8m for comparison.
That's still a lot of sportswriters buying that set!
BTW, one of the main Bruce podcasts had some sports writer as a guest (Ken Rosenthal?) and I thought of y'all jokes.
L'il Kenny! (He's like five foot zilch.) Of course he'd love the Boss.
You'd think he could get a tailor for his suits:
Image
Maybe there was an emergency and he had to borrow someone's bar mitzvah suit.
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Marky Dread wrote:
22 Jan 2022, 9:30pm
I like this pic.
Never seen it before or that shirt for that matter. I’d say that’s probably early or mid 75. He ditched the beard in 76 but had longer hair then. Had shorter hair in 74. Late 75 he had that stupid newsboy hat.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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85% but almost completely educated guessing.
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