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I am not loving Houses of the Holy on first listen.
I really hated it on first few listens but it grew on me.
Same here, Plant really changes his vocal style on this one.
Yes that was the first obvious thing that annoyed me. But yeah it's been a big grower on me.

Thanks Matedog for sharing the outtakes. A couple of decent outtakes but not really enough there to make me buy the deluxe versions. Nice to hear them all the same. Cheers.
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Listening to Presence right now and that has to be the least listener friendly Zeppelin album other than the goofy genre exercises on Out Door. Just long, complex songs without a lot of hooks. The musicianship is phenomenal and it's real pleasure to listen to. I'm really glad I got into them in high school when I was a lot more open to "difficult" music.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 11:06am
Listening to Presence right now and that has to be the least listener friendly Zeppelin album other than the goofy genre exercises on Out Door. Just long, complex songs without a lot of hooks. The musicianship is phenomenal and it's real pleasure to listen to. I'm really glad I got into them in high school when I was a lot more open to "difficult" music.
Strangely, I quite like Presence despite being seriously allergic to virtuoso masturbation demonstrations.
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matedog wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 11:06am
Listening to Presence right now and that has to be the least listener friendly Zeppelin album other than the goofy genre exercises on Out Door. Just long, complex songs without a lot of hooks. The musicianship is phenomenal and it's real pleasure to listen to. I'm really glad I got into them in high school when I was a lot more open to "difficult" music.
I have a cut out cassette from AGES ago. Or at least used to.

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revbob wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 12:00pm
matedog wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 11:06am
Listening to Presence right now and that has to be the least listener friendly Zeppelin album other than the goofy genre exercises on Out Door. Just long, complex songs without a lot of hooks. The musicianship is phenomenal and it's real pleasure to listen to. I'm really glad I got into them in high school when I was a lot more open to "difficult" music.
I have a cut out cassette from AGES ago. Or at least used to.
What the hell is a cut out cassette?
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 12:08pm
revbob wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 12:00pm
matedog wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 11:06am
Listening to Presence right now and that has to be the least listener friendly Zeppelin album other than the goofy genre exercises on Out Door. Just long, complex songs without a lot of hooks. The musicianship is phenomenal and it's real pleasure to listen to. I'm really glad I got into them in high school when I was a lot more open to "difficult" music.
I have a cut out cassette from AGES ago. Or at least used to.
What the hell is a cut out cassette?
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revbob wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 12:00pm
matedog wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 11:06am
Listening to Presence right now and that has to be the least listener friendly Zeppelin album other than the goofy genre exercises on Out Door. Just long, complex songs without a lot of hooks. The musicianship is phenomenal and it's real pleasure to listen to. I'm really glad I got into them in high school when I was a lot more open to "difficult" music.
I have a cut out cassette from AGES ago. Or at least used to.
Strange, I don't think I've ever encountered a cut-out cassette before. Vinyl and cd, sure, but not cassette.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 12:49pm
revbob wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 12:00pm
matedog wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 11:06am
Listening to Presence right now and that has to be the least listener friendly Zeppelin album other than the goofy genre exercises on Out Door. Just long, complex songs without a lot of hooks. The musicianship is phenomenal and it's real pleasure to listen to. I'm really glad I got into them in high school when I was a lot more open to "difficult" music.
I have a cut out cassette from AGES ago. Or at least used to.
Strange, I don't think I've ever encountered a cut-out cassette before. Vinyl and cd, sure, but not cassette.
I have a few from years ago when cassettes were still a big thing. There was a Camelot Music not far from my house and they always had a bin of cut out cassette tapes.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 12:49pm
revbob wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 12:00pm
matedog wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 11:06am
Listening to Presence right now and that has to be the least listener friendly Zeppelin album other than the goofy genre exercises on Out Door. Just long, complex songs without a lot of hooks. The musicianship is phenomenal and it's real pleasure to listen to. I'm really glad I got into them in high school when I was a lot more open to "difficult" music.
I have a cut out cassette from AGES ago. Or at least used to.
Strange, I don't think I've ever encountered a cut-out cassette before. Vinyl and cd, sure, but not cassette.
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I've read that Thurston Moore still prefers cassette over any other medium, which strikes me as total hipster stance. If you grant that analogue is a better sound ("warmer"), then vinyl gives you that and you can still bounce from song to song. Digital is more convenient for choosing songs and total amount you can carry around. But cassette? It can be portable like digital, but it's always the worst option for finding what you want to listen to. There is really no upside to cassette over the other two besides being a contrary hipster dork.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
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I've read that Thurston Moore still prefers cassette over any other medium, which strikes me as total hipster stance. If you grant that analogue is a better sound ("warmer"), then vinyl gives you that and you can still bounce from song to song. Digital is more convenient for choosing songs and total amount you can carry around. But cassette? It can be portable like digital, but it's always the worst option for finding what you want to listen to. There is really no upside to cassette over the other two besides being a contrary hipster dork.
I read an interview with him about it and he says that he prefers the way the tape distorts and gives character to the music over time. It's actually a plausible explanation, I guess, when you consider Sonic Youth's aesthetic, but it buries the needle far too deep in the direction of "the medium is the message" for my taste.
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Flex wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 3:32pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
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I've read that Thurston Moore still prefers cassette over any other medium, which strikes me as total hipster stance. If you grant that analogue is a better sound ("warmer"), then vinyl gives you that and you can still bounce from song to song. Digital is more convenient for choosing songs and total amount you can carry around. But cassette? It can be portable like digital, but it's always the worst option for finding what you want to listen to. There is really no upside to cassette over the other two besides being a contrary hipster dork.
I read an interview with him about it and he says that he prefers the way the tape distorts and gives character to the music over time. It's actually a plausible explanation, I guess, when you consider Sonic Youth's aesthetic, but it buries the needle far too deep in the direction of "the medium is the message" for my taste.
That's probably the best argument one could muster for cassettes, tho there's an admission that it's gonna take awhile for the desired effect. In the meantime, you've got … a fucking cassette to deal with.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 3:52pm
Flex wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 3:32pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 3:03pm
I've read that Thurston Moore still prefers cassette over any other medium, which strikes me as total hipster stance. If you grant that analogue is a better sound ("warmer"), then vinyl gives you that and you can still bounce from song to song. Digital is more convenient for choosing songs and total amount you can carry around. But cassette? It can be portable like digital, but it's always the worst option for finding what you want to listen to. There is really no upside to cassette over the other two besides being a contrary hipster dork.
I read an interview with him about it and he says that he prefers the way the tape distorts and gives character to the music over time. It's actually a plausible explanation, I guess, when you consider Sonic Youth's aesthetic, but it buries the needle far too deep in the direction of "the medium is the message" for my taste.
That's probably the best argument one could muster for cassettes, tho there's an admission that it's gonna take awhile for the desired effect. In the meantime, you've got … a fucking cassette to deal with.
Yeah, I don't like cassettes that much. Being a teen in the 90s, they were often a more affordable option than CDs, but I never preferred them. I don't really even miss making mix / compilation tapes. Sure, it could be fun trying to edit down your top Clash tracks to fit the running length of a cassette, but I'd rather have all of the Clash songs I like on a playlist on my phone.
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WestwayKid wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 4:13pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 3:52pm
Flex wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 3:32pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 3:03pm
I've read that Thurston Moore still prefers cassette over any other medium, which strikes me as total hipster stance. If you grant that analogue is a better sound ("warmer"), then vinyl gives you that and you can still bounce from song to song. Digital is more convenient for choosing songs and total amount you can carry around. But cassette? It can be portable like digital, but it's always the worst option for finding what you want to listen to. There is really no upside to cassette over the other two besides being a contrary hipster dork.
I read an interview with him about it and he says that he prefers the way the tape distorts and gives character to the music over time. It's actually a plausible explanation, I guess, when you consider Sonic Youth's aesthetic, but it buries the needle far too deep in the direction of "the medium is the message" for my taste.
That's probably the best argument one could muster for cassettes, tho there's an admission that it's gonna take awhile for the desired effect. In the meantime, you've got … a fucking cassette to deal with.
Yeah, I don't like cassettes that much. Being a teen in the 90s, they were often a more affordable option than CDs, but I never preferred them. I don't really even miss making mix / compilation tapes. Sure, it could be fun trying to edit down your top Clash tracks to fit the running length of a cassette, but I'd rather have all of the Clash songs I like on a playlist on my phone.
That's exactly it. Once digital became portable—discman and iPod—it eliminated the cassette's sole virtue. I don't get the revived interest in vinyl myself, but at least I can appreciate the logic behind it. Cassettes? Nuh uh.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 4:19pm
WestwayKid wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 4:13pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 3:52pm
Flex wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 3:32pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 3:03pm
I've read that Thurston Moore still prefers cassette over any other medium, which strikes me as total hipster stance. If you grant that analogue is a better sound ("warmer"), then vinyl gives you that and you can still bounce from song to song. Digital is more convenient for choosing songs and total amount you can carry around. But cassette? It can be portable like digital, but it's always the worst option for finding what you want to listen to. There is really no upside to cassette over the other two besides being a contrary hipster dork.
I read an interview with him about it and he says that he prefers the way the tape distorts and gives character to the music over time. It's actually a plausible explanation, I guess, when you consider Sonic Youth's aesthetic, but it buries the needle far too deep in the direction of "the medium is the message" for my taste.
That's probably the best argument one could muster for cassettes, tho there's an admission that it's gonna take awhile for the desired effect. In the meantime, you've got … a fucking cassette to deal with.
Yeah, I don't like cassettes that much. Being a teen in the 90s, they were often a more affordable option than CDs, but I never preferred them. I don't really even miss making mix / compilation tapes. Sure, it could be fun trying to edit down your top Clash tracks to fit the running length of a cassette, but I'd rather have all of the Clash songs I like on a playlist on my phone.
That's exactly it. Once digital became portable—discman and iPod—it eliminated the cassette's sole virtue. I don't get the revived interest in vinyl myself, but at least I can appreciate the logic behind it. Cassettes? Nuh uh.
Yeah cassettes were easy to steal and for a long time were the only means people had to record something but beyond that they sucked. Getting chewed up and the inserts were even smaller that that of a CD. The player itself was prone to problems with all the moving parts. There was nothing fun nor cool about pulling an unwound cassette out of a player.

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