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matedog wrote:
14 Mar 2023, 2:16pm
Oh lord, not sure why I was listening to Illusion era GnR, but I found a particularly odious bit here on their cover of "Knocking on Heaven's Door", during the breakdown, Axl shouts "Give me some reggae!" and the band goes into some general approximation of a reggae bit. God it's so bad.
It's amazing how quickly GNR went from lean and mean to bloaty cabaret. I'm glad that I was never a fan or else it would be dispiriting.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
11 Mar 2023, 8:35pm
revbob wrote:
11 Mar 2023, 6:44pm


Doc?
Damn. :sad: Of those choices, it’s Interpol or Arcade Fire, tho in both cases I don’t really go beyond their first two or three albums. I’m more a different stereotype, the old fucker stuck in 1979–1981.
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Heston wrote:
14 Mar 2023, 2:46pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
11 Mar 2023, 8:35pm
revbob wrote:
11 Mar 2023, 6:44pm


Doc?
Damn. :sad: Of those choices, it’s Interpol or Arcade Fire, tho in both cases I don’t really go beyond their first two or three albums. I’m more a different stereotype, the old fucker stuck in 1979–1981.
Vampire weekend for this balding hipster.
I'd think you'd be stuck with me in 1979.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
14 Mar 2023, 3:43pm
Heston wrote:
14 Mar 2023, 2:46pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
11 Mar 2023, 8:35pm
revbob wrote:
11 Mar 2023, 6:44pm


Doc?
Damn. :sad: Of those choices, it’s Interpol or Arcade Fire, tho in both cases I don’t really go beyond their first two or three albums. I’m more a different stereotype, the old fucker stuck in 1979–1981.
Vampire weekend for this balding hipster.
I'd think you'd be stuck with me in 1979.
I could live 1979 a thousand times.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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Heston wrote:
14 Mar 2023, 4:01pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
14 Mar 2023, 3:43pm
Heston wrote:
14 Mar 2023, 2:46pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
11 Mar 2023, 8:35pm
revbob wrote:
11 Mar 2023, 6:44pm


Doc?
Damn. :sad: Of those choices, it’s Interpol or Arcade Fire, tho in both cases I don’t really go beyond their first two or three albums. I’m more a different stereotype, the old fucker stuck in 1979–1981.
Vampire weekend for this balding hipster.
I'd think you'd be stuck with me in 1979.
I could live 1979 a thousand times.
I did. 😉
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Heston wrote:
14 Mar 2023, 4:01pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
14 Mar 2023, 3:43pm
Heston wrote:
14 Mar 2023, 2:46pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
11 Mar 2023, 8:35pm
revbob wrote:
11 Mar 2023, 6:44pm


Doc?
Damn. :sad: Of those choices, it’s Interpol or Arcade Fire, tho in both cases I don’t really go beyond their first two or three albums. I’m more a different stereotype, the old fucker stuck in 1979–1981.
Vampire weekend for this balding hipster.
I'd think you'd be stuck with me in 1979.
I could live 1979 a thousand times.
Totally. Totally totally totally.
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That's something I've talked to students about, because they generally think that having that many streams proves artists have made it and are livin' the life now. There was a story—admittedly seven or eight years old—where Portishead claimed they'd made around $2500 from 40M streams. I have no idea if the payment model has improved or by how much, but the point is that millions of streams leads to hundreds of dollars. It's little better than telling an up-and-coming graphics designer that they're getting paid in exposure.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Mar 2023, 8:37am
revbob wrote:
15 Mar 2023, 8:02am
That's something I've talked to students about, because they generally think that having that many streams proves artists have made it and are livin' the life now. There was a story—admittedly seven or eight years old—where Portishead claimed they'd made around $2500 from 40M streams. I have no idea if the payment model has improved or by how much, but the point is that millions of streams leads to hundreds of dollars. It's little better than telling an up-and-coming graphics designer that they're getting paid in exposure.
Yeah, somewhat related I'd read a story yesterday that some venues are demanding a higher cut of merch sales at shows. Im sometimes amazed anyone bothers making music anymore it sems like every avenue of revenue is getting squeezed.

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revbob wrote:
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Yeah, somewhat related I'd read a story yesterday that some venues are demanding a higher cut of merch sales at shows. Im sometimes amazed anyone bothers making music anymore it sems like every avenue of revenue is getting squeezed.
I was amazed when I found out that venues take any % of merch money. The link is a story about the Manchester O2 taking 30% and forcing tshirt prices at £35
https://www.thelineofbestfit.com/news/t ... erch-sales
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revbob wrote:
15 Mar 2023, 8:57am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Mar 2023, 8:37am
revbob wrote:
15 Mar 2023, 8:02am
That's something I've talked to students about, because they generally think that having that many streams proves artists have made it and are livin' the life now. There was a story—admittedly seven or eight years old—where Portishead claimed they'd made around $2500 from 40M streams. I have no idea if the payment model has improved or by how much, but the point is that millions of streams leads to hundreds of dollars. It's little better than telling an up-and-coming graphics designer that they're getting paid in exposure.
Yeah, somewhat related I'd read a story yesterday that some venues are demanding a higher cut of merch sales at shows. Im sometimes amazed anyone bothers making music anymore it sems like every avenue of revenue is getting squeezed.
No, it's because of piracy. That there internet is why musicians are poor.
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So this is a specific example, but probably carries over to other albums. Physical Graffiti is my fav Zep album, but is really half new, half outtakes from previous albums. So I'm not sure whether or not to compartmentalize it as it's own thing or half it's own thing and consider the outtakes part of the previous albums. Like do I add "Night Flight" and "Down By the Seaside" to IV when considering that album relative to their others and remove from Physical Graffiti?

This is sort of how I can think of Bruce albums in two ways: the albums themselves or the albums along with their associated outtakes (ie the entire recording sessions).

I'm curious as to how others view similar situations.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
15 Mar 2023, 3:06pm
So this is a specific example, but probably carries over to other albums. Physical Graffiti is my fav Zep album, but is really half new, half outtakes from previous albums. So I'm not sure whether or not to compartmentalize it as it's own thing or half it's own thing and consider the outtakes part of the previous albums. Like do I add "Night Flight" and "Down By the Seaside" to IV when considering that album relative to their others and remove from Physical Graffiti?

This is sort of how I can think of Bruce albums in two ways: the albums themselves or the albums along with their associated outtakes (ie the entire recording sessions).

I'm curious as to how others view similar situations.
Ive never considered it.

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matedog wrote:
15 Mar 2023, 3:06pm
So this is a specific example, but probably carries over to other albums. Physical Graffiti is my fav Zep album, but is really half new, half outtakes from previous albums. So I'm not sure whether or not to compartmentalize it as it's own thing or half it's own thing and consider the outtakes part of the previous albums. Like do I add "Night Flight" and "Down By the Seaside" to IV when considering that album relative to their others and remove from Physical Graffiti?

This is sort of how I can think of Bruce albums in two ways: the albums themselves or the albums along with their associated outtakes (ie the entire recording sessions).

I'm curious as to how others view similar situations.
In the same ballpark, I think, is Wire's Change Becomes Us (2013), which was made up of songs derived from 1980 (when they went on hiatus). The band in 2013 had replaced a member from the original group and the record is almost certainly regarded as the best of the current version of the band. So, should it be considered an album by the current line-up or the better understood as part of the original go-round of the band 30+ years earlier?
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Mar 2023, 4:28pm
matedog wrote:
15 Mar 2023, 3:06pm
So this is a specific example, but probably carries over to other albums. Physical Graffiti is my fav Zep album, but is really half new, half outtakes from previous albums. So I'm not sure whether or not to compartmentalize it as it's own thing or half it's own thing and consider the outtakes part of the previous albums. Like do I add "Night Flight" and "Down By the Seaside" to IV when considering that album relative to their others and remove from Physical Graffiti?

This is sort of how I can think of Bruce albums in two ways: the albums themselves or the albums along with their associated outtakes (ie the entire recording sessions).

I'm curious as to how others view similar situations.
In the same ballpark, I think, is Wire's Change Becomes Us (2013), which was made up of songs derived from 1980 (when they went on hiatus). The band in 2013 had replaced a member from the original group and the record is almost certainly regarded as the best of the current version of the band. So, should it be considered an album by the current line-up or the better understood as part of the original go-round of the band 30+ years earlier?
So it's the band in 2013 recording songs from 1980? That's a different, but definitely related situation. That's probably even harder to ascertain. Like, this is best modern Wire album, but only because the songs were written back in their original incarnation.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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