The Mighty Musical Observations Thread

[Marky Dread]

I love the idea of a bitter Dickies/Green Day rivalry. I know which side I land on.

Green Dick Day needs to be celebrated.

[Dr. Medulla]

I love the idea of a bitter Dickies/Green Day rivalry. I know which side I land on.

Green Dick Day needs to be celebrated.

That's usually with penicillin, no?

[Kory]

Yeah, KC was in many respects traumatized and destroyed by Nevermind's success. He'd try to go to punk shows and be accused by people of being a sell-out and ruining the underground. It's telling that as they toured the album, he'd introduce songs from Bleach as "You probably don't know this one." As in, you were never part of the alternative scene, you only know us for MTV hits. It's not hard to conclude that he felt like a sinner and wanted to atone or self-flagellate.

Probably just differences in personality then, one withdraws and one provides a counter-offensive. I tend to give a bit of a pass to people under the age of 26 that are thrown into these situations. You never know how you're going to react—I certainly didn't have great opinions at that age. BJ is right when he says he didn't get into it to become famous. Until GD and the Offspring, nobody would have bet even a dollar on punk being mainstream, so that would have been a double shock for them. Probably hard to cope with at that age.

I think the best defence is that it is playful sparring and sensationalist journalism. I have a bit of sore attitude toward pop punk. I like it just fine to listen to, but it is a diminished form that sheds a lot of key punk values, so, yeah, enjoy your success, but you traded it for your critical position.

Yeah, there's no sense of BJ's tone here, he may have just been joking. But I can guarantee that whatever he's defending himself from on HR's side was not gracious, so I don't begrudge him his "fuck you Rollins" attitude.

[Marky Dread]

I love the idea of a bitter Dickies/Green Day rivalry. I know which side I land on.

Green Dick Day needs to be celebrated.

That's usually with penicillin, no?

At the very least a soothing balm.

[Dr. Medulla]

Yeah, KC was in many respects traumatized and destroyed by Nevermind's success. He'd try to go to punk shows and be accused by people of being a sell-out and ruining the underground. It's telling that as they toured the album, he'd introduce songs from Bleach as "You probably don't know this one." As in, you were never part of the alternative scene, you only know us for MTV hits. It's not hard to conclude that he felt like a sinner and wanted to atone or self-flagellate.

Probably just differences in personality then, one withdraws and one provides a counter-offensive. I tend to give a bit of a pass to people under the age of 26 that are thrown into these situations.

Fair, plus KC was all kinds of fucked up well before fame hit. He seemed especially ill-suited to handling fame, so it's kinda cruel that he'd be vaulted to premier rock star status and generational icon and all that crap.

BJ is right when he says he didn't get into it to become famous. Until GD and the Offspring, nobody would have bet even a dollar on punk being mainstream, so that would have been a double shock for them. Probably hard to cope with at that age.

Yup, certainly, but it still smacks of a kid who makes it big forgetting the people who helped him when he was a shitstain.

Yeah, there's no sense of BJ's tone here, he may have just been joking. But I can guarantee that whatever he's defending himself from on HR's side was not gracious, so I don't begrudge him his "fuck you Rollins" attitude.

But there's really no bigger sin in punk circles—selling out, wanting personal success and celebrity. If you want that, fine, but accept that those in the scene are going to attack you. When you push back, especially to accuse critics of jealousy, it just furthers the perception that you're a user and a sell-out.

I mean, yeah, I'm reading (and projecting) a lot into a few snippets of an interview, wholly ignorant of tone and context. But on its face, it's really wretched triumphalism.

[Kory]

Yeah, KC was in many respects traumatized and destroyed by Nevermind's success. He'd try to go to punk shows and be accused by people of being a sell-out and ruining the underground. It's telling that as they toured the album, he'd introduce songs from Bleach as "You probably don't know this one." As in, you were never part of the alternative scene, you only know us for MTV hits. It's not hard to conclude that he felt like a sinner and wanted to atone or self-flagellate.

Probably just differences in personality then, one withdraws and one provides a counter-offensive. I tend to give a bit of a pass to people under the age of 26 that are thrown into these situations.

Fair, plus KC was all kinds of fucked up well before fame hit. He seemed especially ill-suited to handling fame, so it's kinda cruel that he'd be vaulted to premier rock star status and generational icon and all that crap.

BJ is right when he says he didn't get into it to become famous. Until GD and the Offspring, nobody would have bet even a dollar on punk being mainstream, so that would have been a double shock for them. Probably hard to cope with at that age.

Yup, certainly, but it still smacks of a kid who makes it big forgetting the people who helped him when he was a shitstain.

Yeah, there's no sense of BJ's tone here, he may have just been joking. But I can guarantee that whatever he's defending himself from on HR's side was not gracious, so I don't begrudge him his "fuck you Rollins" attitude.

But there's really no bigger sin in punk circles—selling out, wanting personal success and celebrity. If you want that, fine, but accept that those in the scene are going to attack you. When you push back, especially to accuse critics of jealousy, it just furthers the perception that you're a user and a sell-out.

I mean, yeah, I'm reading (and projecting) a lot into a few snippets of an interview, wholly ignorant of tone and context. But on its face, it's really wretched triumphalism.

He was also on a ton of speed at the time, which would have made him quite irritable.

[Dr. Medulla]

He was also on a ton of speed at the time, which would have made him quite irritable.

That explains more than anything else!

[revbob]

Yeah, KC was in many respects traumatized and destroyed by Nevermind's success. He'd try to go to punk shows and be accused by people of being a sell-out and ruining the underground. It's telling that as they toured the album, he'd introduce songs from Bleach as "You probably don't know this one." As in, you were never part of the alternative scene, you only know us for MTV hits. It's not hard to conclude that he felt like a sinner and wanted to atone or self-flagellate.

Probably just differences in personality then, one withdraws and one provides a counter-offensive. I tend to give a bit of a pass to people under the age of 26 that are thrown into these situations.

Fair, plus KC was all kinds of fucked up well before fame hit. He seemed especially ill-suited to handling fame, so it's kinda cruel that he'd be vaulted to premier rock star status and generational icon and all that crap.

BJ is right when he says he didn't get into it to become famous. Until GD and the Offspring, nobody would have bet even a dollar on punk being mainstream, so that would have been a double shock for them. Probably hard to cope with at that age.

Yup, certainly, but it still smacks of a kid who makes it big forgetting the people who helped him when he was a shitstain.

Yeah similar to all those "self made" rich people who ignore how their riches are made.

[Dr. Medulla]

Yeah similar to all those "self made" rich people who ignore how their riches are made.

Admitting that wealth begets wealth risks angering the proles, and instead of admiring your success, they might be more inclined to string you up by your entrails.

[Dr. Medulla]

I'm not sure I could name something that seems even worse: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... -jazz-band

[Dr. Medulla]

This wouldn't have happened with a good name like Tommy Lee: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoo ... -1.5935111

[revbob]

Found this on bik bok

[Marky Dread]

Found this on bik bok

Yeah there's a few shots from that time kicking around.

[Kory]

Found this on bik bok

[matedog]

Found this on bik bok

Yeah there's a few shots from that time kicking around.

Looks like fall 79. Jello is from SF so presumably the Kezar show in October?